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[Admiral X]

Yes, "cuck" IS an alt-right word, as I explained upthread.

Tried and failed at. You "explanation" simply consisted of trying to shout me down. I bowed out because I didn't want to spam the thread up, but if you insist...

"Cuck" is short for "cuckold," which is a very old word and has always had essentially the same meaning, which is to say a man who has an unfaithful wife and is unwilling or otherwise unable to do anything about it, usually because they have been deceived and have ended up raising the offspring of another man. It's derived from the cuckoo bird, which liked to lay its eggs in the nest of other birds, which then raised the chicks as its own. The use of the term for men with unfaithful wives goes back to the middle ages, so it is by no means new, though it has evolved a bit. And by evolved a bit I mean it's become an actual fetish, and in current year it has even been suggested that for men to be good feminists, they need to be cool with their wife or significant other sleeping around. Yes, really. And it's stuff like that which caused the term to be used derisively against leftists and others the frat boy types consider to be less masculine. This has been helped along considerably by the continued attacks on masculinity, btw.

and for some reason "soyboy")

From male vegans who consumed too much soy, which has been shown to have a negative impact on the male physique and libido. Again, this has been helped along by the continued attacks on masculinity and the types of people these attacks tend to come from.

[Worffan101]

That soy thing is literally an alt-right myth, Admiral X. You are literally spreading alt-right conspiracy theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU
Not to mention, your complaints about "attacks on masculinity" are drawn straight from the playbook of alt-right "philosopher" and paranoid neo-Nazi rambler Jordan Peterson, which lays pretty bare your political predispositions. You are nothing more than an alt-right troll laughably claiming otherwise.

[Fianna]

I don't think anyone's disputing the etymology of the word "cuck", or that it's "used derisively against leftists and others the frat boy types consider to be less masculine". That's exactly the point.

It's used against men that (the speaker feels) are not doing enough to stand up to women. And if the speaker believes that men standing up to women is something we need a lot more of, then that tells you something about their worldview.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't think anyone's disputing the etymology of the word "cuck", or that it's "used derisively against leftists and others the frat boy types consider to be less masculine". That's exactly the point.

It's used against men that (the speaker feels) are not doing enough to stand up to women. And if the speaker believes that men standing up to women is something we need a lot more of, then that tells you something about their worldview.

Actually yeah that makes sense.

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, it says they think men are the real victims now, which is so completely missing the point, it's laughable. Even if you want to argue women have their full equal rights, or that we need to try and improve and better understand the pain of men, it doesn't change the fact men never needed social movements to empower them the way women historically have, and it doesn't change the fact even if you think men have been screwed over by women, it doesn't not automatically mean you can speak for millions of people - that that would be certain places, and then there are others where women still get screwed over just as much, and that misogyny is still alive, and we still have work to do. I know religion also had a lot to do with shafting over women in the past, but men's attitudes and privilege played a large role in that. And it's time we understood that, even if we want to discuss our pain and try to get it examined and acknowledged - like so being pressured into being strong and to lead when you grow up that you force a boy to be a man before being a kid. That's one area I want improvement in.

[clearspira]

I don't think anyone's disputing the etymology of the word "cuck", or that it's "used derisively against leftists and others the frat boy types consider to be less masculine". That's exactly the point.

It's used against men that (the speaker feels) are not doing enough to stand up to women. And if the speaker believes that men standing up to women is something we need a lot more of, then that tells you something about their worldview.

Actually yeah that makes sense.

I think the first paragraph makes sense, as for the second, it is NOT used when someone is not standing up to women, it is used when that man is being a doormat. And there are plenty of such men who for some reason think that they should prostrate themselves at the feet of anyone with a vagina for some perceived sleight of the ''patriarchy'', normally following it with verbally masturbating over ''being on the right side of history''.

[Yukaphile]

Then why use "cuck" specifically instead of doormat or pussy? And as I've said, I have issues with the word "pussy" anyway given how pro-feminine a word is to describe a man who's accused of being a weak coward. It implies terror of those "lady parts." And I have seen right-wingers now who believe that women are privileged and far more protected in our society than men are. Yes, really. Despite so much body pain that's a monthly ritual, despite being discriminated against in many ways, despite being raped and getting pregnant and then through social conditioning and religion and pressure from your so-called "friends" and "family" you end up carrying said rape baby to term against your will, they think women are privileged. I've seen this with a family that forced a ten-year-old to carry her rape baby to term and then they adopted it as her little sister. Just... OMG.

[clearspira]

Yeah, it says they think men are the real victims now, which is so completely missing the point, it's laughable. Even if you want to argue women have their full equal rights, or that we need to try and improve and better understand the pain of men, it doesn't change the fact men never needed social movements to empower them the way women historically have, and it doesn't change the fact even if you think men have been screwed over by women, it doesn't not automatically mean you can speak for millions of people - that that would be certain places, and then there are others where women still get screwed over just as much, and that misogyny is still alive, and we still have work to do. I know religion also had a lot to do with shafting over women in the past, but men's attitudes and privilege played a large role in that. And it's time we understood that, even if we want to discuss our pain and try to get it examined and acknowledged - like so being pressured into being strong and to lead when you grow up that you force a boy to be a man before being a kid. That's one area I want improvement in.

If you want me to argue that we need feminism in the third world then you'll get none, we do. But if you want me to admit that women are oppressed in the US or Western Europe then it is not happening. And I don't think that men ''are the real victims'' but I do think that people give less of a shit about us and have for decades. The ''superior sex'' should not have a suicide rate three times that of women, should not have no reproductive rights at all, should not be so biased against in family court, should not have no men's refuges for the 42% of men who are beaten by the wives, there should not be a violence double standard where beating up men on TV and film is funny etc. etc. And as for men don't need social movements to empower them, bullshit. RICH MEN did not need social movements to empower them, poor men are lagging behind women and girls at every stage of education. Where are our quotas to balnce that? It is all a massive con, mate.

[clearspira]

Then why use "cuck" specifically instead of doormat or pussy? And as I've said, I have issues with the word "pussy" anyway given how pro-feminine a word is to describe a man who's accused of being a weak coward. It implies terror of those "lady parts." And I have seen right-wingers now who believe that women are privileged and far more protected in our society than men are. Yes, really. Despite so much body pain that's a monthly ritual, despite being discriminated against in many ways, despite being raped and getting pregnant and then through social conditioning and religion and pressure from your so-called "friends" and "family" you end up carrying said rape baby to term against your will, they think women are privileged. I've seen this with a family that forced a ten-year-old to carry her rape baby to term and then they adopted it as her little sister. Just... OMG.

Women are more protected in the West then men are Yuka. This is proveable. And some words are used more than others for no reason. We use balls to describe strength even though there is no more vulnerable a body part. It is just a saying, that's all.

[Admiral X]

That soy thing is literally an alt-right myth, Admiral X. You are literally spreading alt-right conspiracy theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU
Not to mention, your complaints about "attacks on masculinity" are drawn straight from the playbook of alt-right "philosopher" and paranoid neo-Nazi rambler Jordan Peterson, which lays pretty bare your political predispositions. You are nothing more than an alt-right troll laughably claiming otherwise.

yes, the Native with libertarian leanings is totally a white nationalist who wants a white ethno-state ruled by a monarchy. See how silly you look? You literally just call anyone who disagrees with you alt-right.