Birds of Prey Is Currently On Course For Worst DC Opening Weekend

[MithrandirOlorin]

Birds of Prey has made over twice it's Budget now. It's proving to have legs, in fact it's second Monday made more money then it's first Monday.

Shouldn't that be wings?

Two caveats with those figures that apply to any movie, the "budget" is what studio is willing to declare they spent making it, and generally never includes the money spent on marketing. For box office, the studio as a rule of thumb, only get around 50% of that amount, since there are middle parties such as the cinemas themselves taking their share.

So at best its presently break-even, which is generally a failure to studios as they usually target to double up on their money that they outlayed.

Yeah I've been hearing that crap for years, it's long outdated now.

Fact is nothing is expecting to make it's money solely at the theater anymore, this was a movie designed more for home viewing. But regardless of that the numbers show people are consistently going to see it even on the least convenient day of the week to go to the theaters. That is a factor that will be considered when deciding whether or not to make sequels.

[Enterprising]

Yeah I've been hearing that crap for years, it's long outdated now.

Source and evidence for that? I can find countless dozens to backup what I just said via quick search. Its largely true (varies on the indiviudal agreements reached) and can't be dismissed just because its inconvenient for a particular occasion/argument. By the numbers, it's on course for failure. It can of course succeed overall later should media sales be strong.

The biggest mistake IMO with BOP was launching the title character in a PG-13 movie, and following it up with an R one, considering how large an appeal Quinn was to young teenagers.

[TGLS]

From Variety: https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/birds-of-prey-box-office-disappoints-1203498018/

The film needs something like 250—300 million worldwide in order to break even. At 173 million yesterday, I don't think it will meet that target. Maybe the DCEU should go take a nap and regroup later.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Admitily that what it also comes off like while also seeming petty. If being against misogny is petty shit to clearspira and to him not petty is complaining about movie not being for him then I can safely say that he isn't very mature grown ass man or at least he is insecure.

Well I'll acknowledge that people will be less into introspective material, and that applies especially to culturally reformative political undertones what not as it's a bit distracting what not with how contemporary and topical it is. But reducing your argument down to the movie not being escapism especially for a movie that you haven't and am not willing to see for that matter for your own judgement.

[Darth Wedgius]

What's woke about BoP? I haven't seen it yet.

Ewan McGregor said he was, "proud to be involved in a film that was a feminist film that tackled misogyny."

Of course that's his take on the film and may not be others'.

So in your bizzarro world feminism and tackling misogny are now bad things? Is world went so up side down that there are young people that think that women shouldn't have rights and that misogny is good thing.

Deledrius asked how it was "woke." Did you miss that part?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I noticed that miscommunication also!

[Darth Wedgius]

What's woke about BoP? I haven't seen it yet.

Ewan McGregor said he was, "proud to be involved in a film that was a feminist film that tackled misogyny."

Of course that's his take on the film and may not be others'.

So in your bizzarro world feminism and tackling misogny are now bad things? Is world went so up side down that there are young people that think that women shouldn't have rights and that misogny is good thing.

That's Status Quo Warriors for you. Movies focused on women are Sexist, Slavery is Freedom, and steaks should be served well-done with ketchup.

Funny how this can be accused of being a movie that's too "woke" to be fun while Christopher Nolan was allowed to make an entire film trilogy without ever pulling the broom out of his ass.

Let's go down the list...

"Movies focused on women are Sexist" Straw man. I haven't heard anyone say that except you, just now.

"Slavery is Freedom" Straw man.

"steaks should be served well-done with ketchup" Straw man.

Hey Mecha, remember when you accused me of doing straw man arguments and you couldn't back it up? Look at Fuzzy for examples.

"Funny how this can be accused of being a movie that's too "woke" to be fun while Christopher Nolan was allowed to make an entire film trilogy without ever pulling the broom out of his ass." And the film being accused of being too woke conflicts with Nolan's triolgy being too broom-y for your tastes how?

Logic still matters, Fuzzy. You can try to substitute a world where your opponents are saying what you want them to say, but that's still not going to be the world you live in. And if such a world is what it takes to make you comfortable with your opinions, you might want to re-examine your opinions.

As to why people may not want to go see a feminist film about misogyny, I have a few points.

I don't think feminism and fun overlap in the minds of a lot of people. That's just my impression, and you can disregard it. That one, I'm just throwing out there.

Feminism no longer means going for equality to a lot of people. Maybe two thirds of women self-identify as feminists, and less than that in the U.S., and I suspect almost all women in the west want equal rights. Feminism may be the search for equality in some dictionaries, but there are things that grab people's attention like:

"Hating men isn’t a meme for me. It’s not an online persona. It’s a commitment. It’s a way of life." - tweet from @sheabutterfemme.

"The fact that we're considering making misandry a hate crime should concern everyone who believes in equality" - opinion in The Independent.

I can go on. Not wanting to watch a feminist film simply isn't a sign that you want women to have inferior rights. Feminism has been tied to misandry in part by people calling themselves feminists.

Now for "misogyny." Misogyny certainly happens. You can make a movie about women fighting back against misogyny. There's nothing wrong with that. It may not be very entertaining to men, though.

Islamic terrorism certainly happens. You can make a movie about non-Muslims fighting back against Islamic terrorism. There's nothing wrong with that. It may not do really well in countries with largely Muslim populations.

Blacks in the U.S. murder whites far more than the other way around. You can make a movie about white people fighting back against black murderers. There's nothing wrong with that. Murder is bad, right? But I'm not going to watch it. Does that mean I think it's OK for black people to murder white people?

Now some people will say that some stereotypes are fine to exploit, and others are not. "Not all Muslims" is fine, but "not all men" just means you're part of the problem, etc. I expect you're part of that group. We will never agree on that, but I won't try to change your mind. I think you're comfortable with your categorism and discrimination.

But you really shouldn't expect people within category X to find repeated attacks on behavior identified with category X to be entertaining, even if pretty much everyone disapproves of that behavior. By a large majority, Muslims are not OK with Islamic terrorism, and blacks aren't OK with murdering whites, but I don't expect most of them to see a movie about it.

[thetrueelec]

I love the double standard of movie with women having to be 'feminist' movies, but if this was a movie all about dudes no one would say it was about men's rights

[Darth Wedgius]

I love the double standard of movie with women having to be 'feminist' movies, but if this was a movie all about dudes no one would say it was about men's rights

Who is saying all movies with women in them have to be feminist movies? References, please.

[clearspira]

What's woke about BoP? I haven't seen it yet.

Ewan McGregor said he was, "proud to be involved in a film that was a feminist film that tackled misogyny."

Of course that's his take on the film and may not be others'.

So in your bizzarro world feminism and tackling misogny are now bad things? Is world went so up side down that there are young people that think that women shouldn't have rights and that misogny is good thing.

Has it occurred to you that some people watch movies for escapism? We just want to enjoy ourselves for a few hours and not be lectured about petty shit?

Grown ass man complaining that not all comic book movies are to his liking.

Admitily that what it also comes off like while also seeming petty. If being against misogny is petty shit to clearspira and to him not petty is complaining about movie not being for him then I can safely say that he isn't very mature grown ass man or at least he is insecure.

Nope. I chose my words very carefully. The misogyny that this film is against is of the 2020 1st world problems variety. The ''male gaze'' and ''mansplaining''. Things that don't actually matter at all but I'm supposed to sit here and say that they do Emperors New Clothes style. Does this film tackle female circumcision? Suffrage? Forced burkas? Arranged marriages? Honour killings? Anything that is truly meaningful at all? Of course not and why? Because gunning for some actual misogyny runs the risk of upsetting someone who has the power to stop this film from being shown.

Not only is it petty shit but its cowardly shit. It went for the path of absolute least resistance. And it has people like you gobbling up its supposed message like Homer Simpson eats doughnuts.