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to paraphrase Chuck, Mrs. Sarek must be able to suck down a photon torpedo cuz "logical" Sarek lives the rest of his private life dealing w/his illogical half-human kids.Redem wrote:Sarek managed to mess up his relationship with all 3 of his kids
Obviously they're not amazing adventures, but unexciting, in depth studies; amazing adventures are a rather illogical way to explore the universe!Redem wrote:I kinda want to see the Vulcan Expeditionary Group and see the amazing adventures they have that they be considered better than having a post on Starfleet
I have the idea in my head they do nothing but stellar astrography and watching comets with no alien gods, murderous oil slicks, or Ferengi Pirates.Redem wrote:I kinda want to see the Vulcan Expeditionary Group and see the amazing adventures they have that they be considered better than having a post on Starfleet
Dammit! Shows me for not reading down.Dînadan wrote:Obviously they're not amazing adventures, but unexciting, in depth studies; amazing adventures are a rather illogical way to explore the universe!Redem wrote:I kinda want to see the Vulcan Expeditionary Group and see the amazing adventures they have that they be considered better than having a post on Starfleet
YES! Someone else picked up on that part.GandALF wrote:I think people are mistaking Worf for the typical Klingon, at the end of Redemption the "good" Klingons scoff at him for not killing the Duras kid. Then there's also this exchange in DS9's You Are Cordially Invited regarding his marriage to Dax:
Worf:"You never told me that your wife was opposed to this marriage!"
Martok:"Sirella is a woman of strong convictions; she believes that by bringing aliens into our families we risk losing our identities as Klingons."
Worf:"That is a prejudiced, xenophobic view!"
Martok:"We are Klingons, Worf! We don't embrace other cultures, we conquer them! If someone wishes to join us, they must honor our traditions, and prove themselves worthy of wearing the crest of a Great House."
So the Discovery writers aren't pulling this stuff out of their ass.
Kahless did kill both Surak and Abraham Lincoln in his first appearance as part of the evil team, which I can't see Worf doing. I think Worf's outlook is more of a hybrid: he's an honourable warrior who fights to defend the Enterprise whereas most other Klingons fight for glory i.e for the sake of fighting which is going to be pretty destructive if your whole society revolves around that even if it is done honourably. It also makes Worf kind of a tragic character by being too human for Klingon town and too much of a Klingon for human town.CharlesPhipps wrote:I always liked the fact Worf is the equivalent of a Klingon Paladin. He's extremely good at following the letter AND the spirit of Kahless' laws but the rest of Klingondom tends to follow a much more flexible "Prosperity Gospel" version of Honor--which is to say they follow the ways of honor when it's convenient to them and ditch it whenever it ceases to be. I think this is the result of Worf being raised by the equivalent of textbooks and taking them all at their word.
Of course, it says everything you need to know about Klingons that Kahless was a Middle Ages Warlord and he's STILL a liberal by modern Klingon standards.