Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:59 pm
I wonder, does the zombie plague affect the locals or do they have an immunity to it?
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They drink spider-milk so they're immune.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:59 pm I wonder, does the zombie plague affect the locals or do they have an immunity to it?
#JellicoDidNothingWrongGreyICE wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:28 pm Wanna know the sad part? Despite it being a comedy show and deliberately over the top, she still came off better than that idiot Captain Jellico from Chain of Command. At least she didn't override the recommendations of the entire command staff and ignore the chief engineer when she implemented her nightmare scheduling. And she reversed course when it was obvious her course wasn't working. And she didn't once suggest that a senior officer was plotting against her! So she's like three degrees better than Jellico.
Also I'd bet a hundred dollars against a jelly donut that Chain of Command came up in the writer's room while they were writing this episode.
Please tell me this is one of those generation Z ironic things. I've seen the devil's advocate argument, but it was really stupid and the person making it admitted as much.Zefram Mann wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:05 am#JellicoDidNothingWrongGreyICE wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:28 pm Wanna know the sad part? Despite it being a comedy show and deliberately over the top, she still came off better than that idiot Captain Jellico from Chain of Command. At least she didn't override the recommendations of the entire command staff and ignore the chief engineer when she implemented her nightmare scheduling. And she reversed course when it was obvious her course wasn't working. And she didn't once suggest that a senior officer was plotting against her! So she's like three degrees better than Jellico.
Also I'd bet a hundred dollars against a jelly donut that Chain of Command came up in the writer's room while they were writing this episode.
Was I not clear what I meant? Their common trait is that they're unlikeable and unpleasant. Be it "I'm gonna start a mutiny because I know better"/"but what about me" (Burnham), breaking apart your family due to your conspiracy obsession and turning into a drug addict (Raffi), having constant anger issues over everything (Carol) or being a self-entitled jackass with mommy issues who, on the first appearance, gets drunk and (near-fatally) assaults another ensign, then on further appearances does nothing but belittle everybody around her and even think that she's somewhat more qualified than the XO in fight because, oh no, she has scars (Mariner).GreyICE wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:31 pmBurnham is written like a Vulcan - low emotional displays, logical, focus on the sciences and reason. She does use logic as an excuse as much as an actual guiding principle, but that's just about the most Vulcan flaw in all of Star Trek.Mabus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:51 pmWell, before Mariner and Carol, there was Michael Burnham and Raffi.CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:12 pm You mean....the mother and daughter? I mean, you're complaining about them being too similar.
And there's still the issue of why do these characters have to be the way they're written.
Raffi is a former drug addict, someone who idolized Picard, and then when her idol failed and her dreams were shattered allowed her life to fall apart. She did half the things she did in the show to get to a semi-legal space station to see her family again, family who didn't really want anything to do with her.
Mariner is a comedy sendup of the entire notion of the "off the books officer". The one who is "a hard man who doesn't follow the rules, but gets results?" I mean come on, the police chief asking the newbie to "monitor X because I know he's up to no good" is just about the most classic setup for that sort of shit ever, and was clearly what they were riffing on. She tried to fight the first officer over who got to fight a death duel with a giant alien.
If you think these are all "the same sort of character" then I think it shows more about the lens you're viewing them through than it does about the writers.
I also like Burnham's personality and both GreyICE and CharlesPhipps describe her well, low emotional displays, logical, focus on the sciences and reason, with a sort of introverted nature at the start of the series.Tony Stark: I watched my friends die. You'd think that'd be as bad as it gets, right? Nope. Wasn't the worst part.
Nick Fury: The worst part is that you didn't.