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Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:13 pm So they took an unused Roddenberry script that was no doubt based on "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas", and somehow made it even more similar to the original source?
I'm starting to think that maybe there was a reason that script was never used. And why maybe no one should reuse any Roddenberry stories.

Frustration wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:27 pm What, they can't write new stories?

(That was intended to be rhetorical and sarcastic, but now that I think about it that would explain a lot.)

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:57 pm

Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:13 pm So they took an unused Roddenberry script that was no doubt based on "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas", and somehow made it even more similar to the original source?
I'm starting to think that maybe there was a reason that script was never used. And why maybe no one should reuse any Roddenberry stories.

Speaking as a writer, I have no issue with the story being adapted but I feel they should have acknowledged the inspiration in the credits.

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:29 am I’m reminded of the controversy of THE LAST OF US ending that will come up here as there’s essentially two kinds of people who respond to the ending of that and I suspect will have the same reflection in the fandom here.

1:] “What a fascinating moral dilemma! The needs of the many versus the needs of the few. Is it justified or not?”
2:] “These child killing sickos should be nuked from orbit.”

To go with The Last of Us example, one of the things that the developers found out was the younger fandom were all about the belief Joel did something terrible and was selfish. While the older fandom generally reacted with the view Joel did nothing wrong except not telling Ellie about killing the Fireflies.

Here, it’s pretty clear that Captain Pike’s reaction is his ex-girlfriend is a serial child murderer. There’s no actual debate, he’s horrified and disgusted by her. Which I feel is an appropriate reaction but prevents any sort of Star Trek back and forth.

Weirdly, I also note this episode reminds me a lot of “When the Bough Breaks” where the people have forgotten how their technology works and are more or less okay with it since it still provides them what they need. It doesn’t take me being a scifi writer (and there’s several other here on these forums) to come up with reasons that the technology is either damaged, malfunctioning, or not designed for their species but they’ve gotten it to work “close enough” that they don’t care about its cost. After all, plenty of people in our present day primitive society ignore the needs of children suffering to benefit their own luxuries (child labor being just one example).

I also get why Pike’s girlfriend tried to show him the ceremony. She was hoping he’d accept it and stay with her. Obviously, she gravely misjudged how it would go over with him.

clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:34 pm The writers then decided to go with the "Joel was evil" plot as canon and thus ensured that TLOU 3 will not be as successful as 2.

Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:22 am Spider-Hela sounds like something from Marvel comics.