Have the Star Wars Prequels Been Vindicated by History?

[Crl81]

As I have maintained throughout, the reason that the Original Trilogy was so good was because George Lucas had a limited budget and he had to fight to get every scene in the movies. He had to pick his battle and left a lot of garbage on the cutting room floor.

In the prequel Trilogy he essentially had an unlimited budget and nobody could tell him no. There was a LOT of great stuff in them, but at the same time the junk that fills anyone's writing got in, and without having to defend any part of it it got into the film. My evidence for great stuff look at the fight with Obi-wan, Qui-gon, and Maul, when they are trapped by the ray shields. Maul is seething, Obi-wan is restless, and Qui-gon is calm and meditating, marking the difference between a Sith, a Jedi Padawan, and a Jedi Master.

[Yukaphile]

He also had many professionals of the day to balance out his own shortcomings as a writer.

[Winter]

I can't agree with that because, as Chuck himself pointed out, there was only ONE scene in the film from the script that was due to budgetary reasons, which was the scene where the Falcon flew through the Death Star. And, as Also pointed out by Chuck, Lucas had a LOT riding on Star Wars and therefor was putting all his effort into making it the best film he could. When you have a gun to your head odds are good you're going to do everything you can to do your best job.

[Karha of Honor]

Like I said I don't share that opinion. As long as you don't claim that it's truth and everyone should think same way I have no problem that you have that opinion and we can agree to disagree. In other words as long as you are mature adult about this matter we can talk like mature adults about this topic. It's toxic people that want everyone on fandom to think same way and have same opinions that I have problem with because they tend to push they opinions on others and find ways to dismiss opposing opinions.

Last time i checked TLJ fans had the MSM bully pulpit.

[Yukaphile]

That means nothing.

[Karha of Honor]

That means nothing.

Yes it does. The directgion would have changed quicker if not for that. The disaster could had been averted in the first place.

[Mecha82]

I can't agree with that because, as Chuck himself pointed out, there was only ONE scene in the film from the script that was due to budgetary reasons, which was the scene where the Falcon flew through the Death Star. And, as Also pointed out by Chuck, Lucas had a LOT riding on Star Wars and therefor was putting all his effort into making it the best film he could. When you have a gun to your head odds are good you're going to do everything you can to do your best job.

Because he had to make best possible movie he also listened other people instead of surrounding himself with yes-men. His then wife also had big part in making ANH best movie that they could had made back then with resources that they had. Funny thing is that ESB that today is considered best movie in franchise is one were Lucas had least involvement with.

[Yukaphile]

He's like Toriyama, or Gene. A technically bad writer who needs to be restrained to crank out gold.

[Winter]

Funny thing is that ESB that today is considered best movie in franchise is one were Lucas had least involvement with.

True, but at the same time the elements of that film that are often considered the best parts of that movie, Han and Leia's relationship, Lando, Yoda, the Overall Darker Tone and the the Big Vader Reveal, all George Lucas. Yes Lucas had the least involvement in Empire but he still contributed a LOT to that film. Not to diminish Irvin Kershner's, Leigh Brackett or Lawrence Kasdan contributions as they are the ones who brought Lucas' ideas to life but they were still working off Lucas ideas.

As I've said before, I think the biggest problem with the Prequels is the Dialogue and had that been better written the Prequels as a whole would likely have been better received. Scenes like Anakin's and Padme's final scene together on Mustafar, when you look at it from a strictly story POV, is a Great Scene. You have Anakin unknowingly making the situation worse as he tries to assume Padme that everything will be fine as he can just kill Palpatine and take over the Empire and Padme slowly falling further into despair as she sees that the man she loves is losing himself in his own lust for power.

And then when Obi-Wan reveals himself and Anakin, incorrectly, assumes that she purposely led him here he lashes out and tries to kill her. He does but instead of realizing his own mistake he instead blames Obi-Wan for turning Padme against him and while Obi-Wan does try to reason with Anakin in the end he realizes that he is well and truly lost and will stop him here and now, whatever it takes.

That's a good scene, filled with a lot of dramatic weight to it. The problem is the dialogue is, by Lucas' own admission, REALLY Bad!!!

If the dialogue was better written this would likely be seen in a much better light and many people I've talked to on this scene today are willing to look past the cheesy dialogue and enjoy the scene for the good story that is behind the corny bits.

That's why I say that the Prequels have been Vindicated by History, there is, for many fans, more good then bad. Sure the CGI isn't the best, the dialogue as I have said, is cheesy and the Directing could have been better. I'm not saying that the Prequels will be seen as these great classics but most fans that I've asked have come to like them.

Again, just look at the TPM reaction video. That's from last month and most people were cheering for most of the film because they enjoyed it.

[Mecha82]

Funny thing is that ESB that today is considered best movie in franchise is one were Lucas had least involvement with.

True, but at the same time the elements of that film that are often considered the best parts of that movie, Han and Leia's relationship, Lando, Yoda, the Overall Darker Tone and the the Big Vader Reveal, all George Lucas. Yes Lucas had the least involvement in Empire but he still contributed a LOT to that film. Not to diminish Irvin Kershner's, Leigh Brackett or Lawrence Kasdan contributions as they are the ones who brought Lucas' ideas to life but they were still working off Lucas ideas.

That's the thing. I am not saying that Lucas didn't have some role in that but while those might had been his ideas other people were needed to do them well. Sure Lucas had ideas and he was world builder but he wasn't that good at making those reality on film like prequels prove.

While some people have started to enjoy prequels (including TPM) more so more power to them for that I am not among those people. After all I can only speak from my own point if view that is based on my own opinions.