Alternate History versions of World War I and II thread

[FakeGeekGirl]

*Sees thread, interested, clicks thread, oh.*

Regarding alternate versions of WW1 and WW2, almost any alternate history project has my interest as long as it doesn't get too silly
or self-indulgent. However I feel alternate history versions of the world wars have been done to death, I'm more interested to see alternate history versions of the Cold War, the development of Communist nations or even internal national situations such as any British election between and including 1979 to 1997, or the creation and evolution of Las Vegas.

That last suggestion is a bit weird, I know, but I'm very interested in how places like Las Vegas came to be thanks to the movie Casino and the real inspirations behind it.

I would love to see an alternate history where Anastasia really did survive the Bolshevik revolution and her descendants become an important symbolic rallying point for the enemies of those dirty commies, with Americans in the fifties considering them the displaced righful leaders of Russia despite the irony of a democracy founded on rebelling against a king supporting royalists.

[TGLS]

I'm kind of interested in an alternate history of WW2 where everything goes backwards. i.e. Germany and France swap places, Russia and Britain swap, Japan and America, etc. [Short summary that spiralled follows]

War breaks out over Nice, after the reoccupation of the Alsace-Lorraine, Connexion with Wallonia, and the Annexation of Navarre. France crushed the Italians and swept into Germany through the Low Countries. Hermann Goring became the Leader of the German State (Called by its detractors Weimar Germany), while Erwin Rommel continued the struggle from the colonies leading the Free German Forces from the colonies, promising independence for support. Britain was dragged into the war after the Operation Martel captured Southern England. The Second Mexican-American War dragged out because of economic sanctions by the Japanese, which caused the American attack on Pearl Harbor and the invasion of South America and Alaska.

Eventually, the war came to a turning point, with the defeat of France at Cardiff and Minsk, America at Midway and Santiago, and Spain at Benghazi. The leaders of the three great powers who led the Allies, First Secretary Clement Steel, Chairman Lev Bronstein, and Prime Minister Kijuro Shidehara, met many times during the war to discuss the course of the war and the shape of the post-war world. The most important conferences were the Beijing Conference, the Dover Conference, and the Versailles Conference.

After the fall of Paris, America was alone in the war against all sides. The final invasion of America was expected to be extremely bloody because of strong civilian resistance, as the invasion of Florida showed the Japanese. In the end, the decision was made by Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida to use atomic bombs at Norfolk and Houston. New Orleans was spared at the behest of former Prime Minister Osachi Hamaguchi, who had visited the city during his retirement. After the war, the weakness of Russia had became obvious, as had the penetration of the Sapporo Project by the British. The War of Ice had begun...

[MithrandirOlorin]

Similar that, it may be interesting to wonder what a second World War would be like if the other side won WWI? Would there have been one?

[Durandal_1707]

I'm kind of interested in an alternate history of WW2 where everything goes backwards. i.e. Germany and France swap places, Russia and Britain swap, Japan and America, etc. [Short summary that spiralled follows]

War breaks out over Nice, after the reoccupation of the Alsace-Lorraine, Connexion with Wallonia, and the Annexation of Navarre. France crushed the Italians and swept into Germany through the Low Countries. Hermann Goring became the Leader of the German State (Called by its detractors Weimar Germany), while Erwin Rommel continued the struggle from the colonies leading the Free German Forces from the colonies, promising independence for support. Britain was dragged into the war after the Operation Martel captured Southern England. The Second Mexican-American War dragged out because of economic sanctions by the Japanese, which caused the American attack on Pearl Harbor and the invasion of South America and Alaska.

Eventually, the war came to a turning point, with the defeat of France at Cardiff and Minsk, America at Midway and Santiago, and Spain at Benghazi. The leaders of the three great powers who led the Allies, First Secretary Clement Steel, Chairman Lev Bronstein, and Prime Minister Kijuro Shidehara, met many times during the war to discuss the course of the war and the shape of the post-war world. The most important conferences were the Beijing Conference, the Dover Conference, and the Versailles Conference.

After the fall of Paris, America was alone in the war against all sides. The final invasion of America was expected to be extremely bloody because of strong civilian resistance, as the invasion of Florida showed the Japanese. In the end, the decision was made by Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida to use atomic bombs at Norfolk and Houston. New Orleans was spared at the behest of former Prime Minister Osachi Hamaguchi, who had visited the city during his retirement. After the war, the weakness of Russia had became obvious, as had the penetration of the Sapporo Project by the British. The War of Ice had begun...

And decades later, Akira Kurosawa is criticized for playing into the "sauerkraut-eating surrender monkeys" stereotype by having Captain Johannes Lukas Bickhart surrender to Q in the first episode of Star Trek: TNG.

[MithrandirOlorin]

I've watched episode 10 of Tanya The Evil now, her character has evolved.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Ya know, from Japan POV both World Wars could be argued to be the same war, it was simply everyone in The West who switched sides.

Maybe that is why it's so easy for Anime to sorta merge them together.

[TGLS]

I don't know, they took a thirteen year break (eight years shorter than Germany) and put crazy people in charge.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Apparently Strike Witches is another Anime about an Alternate WWII. i haven't watched it yet.

[Maximara]

I think Alternate History Cold Wars will be more viable once the present is another Generation or so removed. People who lived through WWII are still around, but are dying off. It's difficult to be comfortable with an fantastical alternate version of something you lived through.

Perhaps the very beginning of the Cold War, the immediate post war occupations of Germany and Japan, and Israel being formed at the same time. ANd how the tension between America and Russia was already starting during all of that.

I rmember that I'd also on my Blog suggested doing Arthurian Legend as an Alternate WWII. Some of the identifcations I threw out would also easilly play into the post war period.

Alternate History as a genre isn't that old and didn't really hit its stride until the 1960s. But even before then you had The Sound of His Horn (1952) with the Nazis won WWII vein. Of course the WWII but differently thread quickly got over done.

[MithrandirOlorin]

The kind with a single point of divergence is different from the works I was mainly thinking of here.