Force Awakens editor making waves

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It must had been surprise to her after she had worked around TFA how much TLJ undid what had been already done. Still no matter what you think about TLJ or Rian Johnson you can only respect how much he believed his own vision and was willing to make it happen. There aren't many directors in Hollywood today that dare to do that and instead play it safe.

That is one interpretation. The other is that he is a dumbass who could not see that his idea was terrible and that all of those other directors you speak of would have realised quickly that he was wrecking his own career - which is exactly what has happened. What has he done since? Why hasn't the whole of Hollywood been opened to him after directing such a massive film?

Answer: Nothing of note. Because he has rendered himself ''nothing of note'' thanks to his ''great vision'' and ''not playing it safe''.

He did Knives Out, which got nominated for Best Picture.

I'm supposing that that movie got nominated thanks largely in part to its undertones of white hegemony.

[Draco Dracul]

Well what did this mean exactly? I think the most obvious misdirection is Luke's inversion. Obviously it's without a doubt 'the' most controversial, but also I just doubt that The Force Awakens was going in that direction. Unless anyone knows otherwise of course.

On a textual level it is easy to read is as going that direction as Han said Luke walked away from everything. On a meta textual level it wasn't going that way, but it also wasn't going any other way either as Abrams writes for the moment with no plans for what comes after.

TROS was doomed because it had the writer of Natman v Superman and a director that is famous for sucking at making ending while having very little time due to throwing out the also bad, but fixable Duel of Fates script in favor of the trainwreck we got.

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TROS was doomed because it had the writer of Natman v Superman and a director that is famous for sucking at making ending while having very little time due to throwing out the also bad, but fixable Duel of Fates script in favor of the trainwreck we got.

Actually as an Abrams film I remember enjoying it.

[Captain Crimson]

Related, did anyone else see the recent reveal about what Mr. Filoni has said during a brainstorming session for the film in question, TFA? I mean, people are acting like it's a huge betrayal, but I honestly don't see it as anything new. Mr. Filoni has always played fast and loose with continuity, and he seems to have no perception to the subtle nuances of the preceding history and lore he writes for. From The Art of the Rise of Skywalker he had said that structurally, what Kylo Ren does to Han is unforgivable, there is no coming back from it, but if they were sincerely crafting the Vader for this generation, that's inconsistent to the original trilogy - because, you know, Vader was redeemed. I mean, people rag on Ms. Kennedy all the time, and yet somehow Mr. Filoni gets a pass. It's bizarre.

[Riedquat]

Still no matter what you think about TLJ or Rian Johnson you can only respect how much he believed his own vision and was willing to make it happen. There aren't many directors in Hollywood today that dare to do that and instead play it safe.

And people like him are why they do, so no, no respect for it. You need a good vision to earn respect for that. I don't have any respect for the courage of people who commit armed robberies either (to rather exaggerate things for the sake of illustrating a point).

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Still no matter what you think about TLJ or Rian Johnson you can only respect how much he believed his own vision and was willing to make it happen. There aren't many directors in Hollywood today that dare to do that and instead play it safe.

And people like him are why they do, so no, no respect for it. You need a good vision to earn respect for that. I don't have any respect for the courage of people who commit armed robberies either (to rather exaggerate things for the sake of illustrating a point).

I don't think you can entirely blame Mr. Johnson here. Not all the way, at least. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't movie directors have less creative liberties than they used to? Like how everyone now has their hand in the pot. Especially blockbusters will billions on the line. With studio meddling, as well. We saw this in Mr. Abrams. Disney had done extensive reshoots to his final product. Perhaps with the intention of deliberately screwing him over. We do not know. There is no hard evidence at this time.

Back to point and with regards to Mr. Johnson, what we see in the LF story group session, which Mr. Filoni was part of, is that they wanted to subvert your expectations all along, and make the story about Leia, since the audience expectation among casuals was gonna be hugely focused upon Luke himself. And that's what it seems Mr. Johnson had built off. They were just nodding their heads over and over that Leia was wasted potential, but I do not think so.

I've felt all along Mr. Filoni, not to throw shade on the man since he has many fans, is out of touch to the older lore. He's clearly never read the books past bits and bobs, since it makes a lot of sense that Luke would reform the Jedi, Leia would follow politics. That is a natural character path, and it does not waste her potential, she becomes to the New Republic what Luke was to the New Jedi Order. She was even HoS at one point. Mr. Filoni, however, always seemed to have dreams and ambitions greater than that, though. But that could just be my own bias talking. What do you guys think?

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Still no matter what you think about TLJ or Rian Johnson you can only respect how much he believed his own vision and was willing to make it happen. There aren't many directors in Hollywood today that dare to do that and instead play it safe.

And people like him are why they do, so no, no respect for it. You need a good vision to earn respect for that. I don't have any respect for the courage of people who commit armed robberies either (to rather exaggerate things for the sake of illustrating a point).

I don't think you can entirely blame Mr. Johnson here. Not all the way, at least. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't movie directors have less creative liberties than they used to?

Not really sure how much isn't his influence considering he wrote it too.

[Wargriffin]

Crimson

Filoni hasn't been part of the Story Group, and The Story group really doesn't have all that much power other then doing Leland's job of just saying it fits like this. So if you are going to bold face lie don't do it on a forum where you have posters who are anal enough to google your bluff.

The Story Group have no real input in the creative process. IF they did you wouldn't have had half the Aftermath Trilogy setting Snoke up as a 1000 year old threat, older then the Empire itself, Comics that contradict their own movie etc etc

Basically the NEU has had such laughable content control its even more of mess then Bantam's early days


Filoni wanted to do a fucking Vong arc, The guy clearly has bigger appreciation for the EU then you are giving him credit for with your passive aggressive insults

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Crimson

Filoni hasn't been part of the Story Group, and The Story group really doesn't have all that much power other then doing Leland's job of just saying it fits like this. So if you are going to bold face lie don't do it on a forum where you have posters who are anal enough to google your bluff.

The Story Group have no real input in the creative process. IF they did you wouldn't have had half the Aftermath Trilogy setting Snoke up as a 1000 year old threat, older then the Empire itself, Comics that contradict their own movie etc etc

Basically the NEU has had such laughable content control its even more of mess then Bantam's early days


Filoni wanted to do a fucking Vong arc, The guy clearly has bigger appreciation for the EU then you are giving him credit for with your passive aggressive insults

I am specifically referring to a passage from The Art of the Rise of Skywalker visual dictionary, where Mr. Filoni is shown being in agreement with other creative heads who want to flip the roles and make the sequel trilogy about Leia and not Luke, since they felt she was a wasted opportunity. I was not lying. Perhaps I am misinformed? If so, can you please correct me?

I do agree they're powerless figureheads. But at the same time, certain movers and shakers seem to have more clout than others there, to which Mr. Filoni probably belongs, seeing as he worked on Rebels and now TM. As I'd said, I am not lying, but I could be wrong. I'll own up to it if I am. The way I see it, a big dollar-fueled corporate entity will not be 100% straight with their customers or share the deep interior workings on what goes on behind closed doors, and Disney itself has a long documented history in abusing its workers. I find it hard to trust them with all they say, so maybe I'm just being overly paranoid.

EDIT: Mr. Filoni's desire to "recanonize" the Vong does not surprise me. He's said he always wants to do more EU, but he also is very tone-deaf to what it is about. He brought in Wullf Yularen for TCW, and assumed he was a Grand Admiral because of the white outfit, when he was a Colonel. He also completely botched the characters of Bariss Offee and Quinlan Vos. I mean no insult to Mr. Filoni, but I stand by my statement. He come into the production and was in over his head to the built-in fanbase and the lore. Maybe he got better over the years, but he always plays fast and loose with continuity, and nothing I have seen from Rebels convinces me he has changed, at least that much. And I find his habit in using Mr. Lucas as a shield irritating. It is what they all do at LF now.

[Gekired]

Ms. Kennedy's comments aside, they should have put a greater emphasis on how he returned. The new EU will fill in the gaps since that is what is has been doing all along, but it is what it is, from all I hear.

That right there is part of the problem and it's a point I've brought up before. The Disney Era of Star Wars has put WAAAY to much information in the EU. How did Phasma survive and avoid getting into trouble for lowering the shield, Read Her Tie-in comics. How did Palpatine Survive, read the novelization. How did Palpatine and Snoke manipulate Ben Skywalker, Read the Rise of Kylo Ren. Who are Knights of Ren, Read the aforementioned ROKR comic. Why did Finn and Rose break up, read this tie-in novel and so on.

I've used this example before but let's take a look at General Grievous in Revenge of the Sith. Let's say you never saw the 2D Clone Wars animated Series and Revenge was the first time you ever saw him, you would get everything you need to know about his character just from this movie. We know he's one of the highest ranking members of the Separatist given how he's able to boss around it's leaders. We know how he's able to use a Lightsaber from his comment that he was trained by Dooku. We get a basic idea of his personality given how he acts with other characters and have an idea that he and Obi-Wan have a history given how they interact with one another throughout the film.

No need to read or watch or play ANY tie-ins for the film, you get all you need in the film itself and the same can be said for the rest of the films. In The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones you get all you need to know about Dooku, Maul, Nute Gunray, Jango Fett, the Trade Federation, how the tech works and how the politics of the Republic works.

The over reliance on Tie-ins reached it's zenith in Rise of Skywalker as you need to have read up on several comics, novels, visual dictionaries of Star Wars and have played Fortnight to get some idea what was happening. Hell, Disney+ actually released an episode of the Mandalorian One day early just so Force Heal would be introduced Just Before ROS was released in theaters.

Thing of it is, ROS actually made just as little sense even if you DID Do all the Homework necessary to understand WTF was going on. Finn and Poe react in SHOCK When they see that the First Order now has Jet Troopers DESPITE The fact that They've ALREADY Gone Up Against Jet Troopers in the tie-in comics leading up to ROS. It was stated in the leaks that the Palpatine we see in the films is NOT a Clone and the film makes it as clear as possible that this is the case only for the Novelization to Retcon that and say that this Palpatine IS a Clone but has the Soul of the Original Palpatine and that Rey's father was a not quite perfect Clone of Palpatine which just raises further questions, namely HOW THE HELL DO YOU LOSE TRACK OF A CLONE OF YOURSELF?!

The Original Expanded Universe was exactly what it said it was, it was something that Expanded on the lore of Star Wars. Tons of minor characters were introduced in the films got fully fleshed out backstories and more often then not just because a writer/s wanted to know more about them. And because of that Star Wars became one of the richest fictional worlds in pop-culture.

NOT SO WITH THE DISNEY ERA! At first they were used mostly to try and fill in plot holes both major and minor but has only created more plot holes that have Hurt the films their suppose to be promoting. I'm not going to pretend that the Original EU was perfect but it was made mostly made by people who had stories they wanted to tell in the Star Wars Universe. The EU of the Disney Era feels like it's being made by a marketing team to get as much money out of the series as they can.

THANK YOU! That's why i miss the... well okay one of the many reasons I miss the Old EU. It actually expanded the Universe and the characters. It wasn't just their to shove as many retcons and fix plot holes as possible.

I remember the ep 3 novelisation. It takes the 3rd film and expands on everything you see in ep 3. Now you can watch ep 3 and your giving everything ya need to know to enjoy the story. (Unless you hate the film or the prequel era which fair enough i suppose) Yet the novelisation expands on the movie and gets you into the head of the characters. Give you a far bigger insight into their minsets at very points of the movie.

Want to know what Dooku was thinking as he fought Anakin and eventually realised he was about to die and was nothing but a pawn to Palpatine's true goal Anakin. Maybe getting little details like where did Palpatine hide his lightsabers, and little things like that. Nothing ya have to truly nknow to enjoy the film but are enjoyable to know none the less and help expand on something you hopefully already enjoy none the less.

Now if you'll excuse me within the last 15 minutes their will be a 100 new retcons for the sequel era that i must take note of to understand the Disney trilogy.