Re: Was Bane charismatic in Dark Knight Rises?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:37 am
I remember when my wife and I saw this movie at the theater and she turned to me about half way and ask if I had any idea what this movie was about.
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I think you're confusing Senator Joseph McCarthy with General Douglas MacArthur.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:05 am
That's very interesting what you talk about regarding McCarthy because it's true that movies are much more processed candy then real life often. Aesthetically sweet, but essentially so for the sake of conveying to the audience. I really do think Bane presents himself as the real deal. I was a fan of Hardy for this period of his bulking, so it's quite a spectacle, crafted in Nolan's cinematic tone nicely. In terms of McCarthy charisma though, I mostly have in mind anti-communist mindset that would subsist among general public, but that might be misguided as I'm not brushed up on it as a ethos in time. Really though I thought all that was granted to his name was just because he was the General of the big war. That's what I'm saying Bane missed. He didn't capture the heart of society or anything, and there's never a Hans or Peter Gruber moment where they're really revealed as conmen, but just henchmen I guess.
Really, Hardy could have just cupped his balls the whole stadium scene and it'd be badass.
Aw well shitburgers. Thankfully it's not an error surplanting my point, and the few sentences I read on this Joe McCarthy's wiki tends to serve my point.Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:55 pmI think you're confusing Senator Joseph McCarthy with General Douglas MacArthur.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:05 am
That's very interesting what you talk about regarding McCarthy because it's true that movies are much more processed candy then real life often. Aesthetically sweet, but essentially so for the sake of conveying to the audience. I really do think Bane presents himself as the real deal. I was a fan of Hardy for this period of his bulking, so it's quite a spectacle, crafted in Nolan's cinematic tone nicely. In terms of McCarthy charisma though, I mostly have in mind anti-communist mindset that would subsist among general public, but that might be misguided as I'm not brushed up on it as a ethos in time. Really though I thought all that was granted to his name was just because he was the General of the big war. That's what I'm saying Bane missed. He didn't capture the heart of society or anything, and there's never a Hans or Peter Gruber moment where they're really revealed as conmen, but just henchmen I guess.
Really, Hardy could have just cupped his balls the whole stadium scene and it'd be badass.
Those I know that like parts of the movie like the kangaroo courts precisely because it reminds them of things like the French, Russian and Chinese Revolutions and they point to it as a lovely example of what commies and the radicals they loath are like.Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:03 pm I wouldn't say it's a Fascist "allegory"- I just think that Bane, personally, is a crypto-Fascist (sort of) spouting rhetoric he doesn't believe to further his true aims.
But "allegory" is too strong, since the movie didn't really make that clear and I'm just filling in the blanks in my own mind. The actual intended allegory was to "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens, after all.
You seem to be arguing though that life under Bane wasn't all THAT bad, and is comparable to what we are going through right now, except for Scarecrow sending people to their deaths. In that case, you might have missed the part where Bane set all of the criminals of Gotham loose, hundreds of police officers are being kept prisoner, people are being pulled out of their homes by angry mobs, the mayor and his staff have been murdered, bridges have been blown up, and...oh yes, there is a nuclear bomb that might go off at any moment.
Apart from ALL THAT though, I guess, not terribly draconian.
It's ok. It's easy to mix up two of America's most infamous, in your face, Show Boating Mcs.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:05 pmAw well shitburgers. Thankfully it's not an error surplanting my point, and the few sentences I read on this Joe McCarthy's wiki tends to serve my point.Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:55 pmI think you're confusing Senator Joseph McCarthy with General Douglas MacArthur.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:05 am
That's very interesting what you talk about regarding McCarthy because it's true that movies are much more processed candy then real life often. Aesthetically sweet, but essentially so for the sake of conveying to the audience. I really do think Bane presents himself as the real deal. I was a fan of Hardy for this period of his bulking, so it's quite a spectacle, crafted in Nolan's cinematic tone nicely. In terms of McCarthy charisma though, I mostly have in mind anti-communist mindset that would subsist among general public, but that might be misguided as I'm not brushed up on it as a ethos in time. Really though I thought all that was granted to his name was just because he was the General of the big war. That's what I'm saying Bane missed. He didn't capture the heart of society or anything, and there's never a Hans or Peter Gruber moment where they're really revealed as conmen, but just henchmen I guess.
Really, Hardy could have just cupped his balls the whole stadium scene and it'd be badass.
That's not the worst of it, imo.
Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:00 amI think that saying Bane isn't charismatic is the wrong way to put it, or taking things too far, but I do think it's kind of out of place and not really explained properly, mostly because they aren't really making a Batman film so much as a film with Batman in it.