Re: The Matrix is a Trans Allegory now
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:48 am
'Now'? It always did, we just became aware of it. We took a red pill so to speak.
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Then the movie fails in this regard, because clearly most of the cis audience hasn't seen it that way. I mean, I can look at a lot of art "in a certain way" or "through a lense" and interpret all kinds of meanings into it from this switched perspective and there's merit to that, a lot in fact. But if I want to tell my audience something, this way of structuring the art doesn't work. (And yes, I am aware of executive meddling and I'd have been very happy to have at least Switch being her "true self" instead of this random androgynious person getting offed, but that is besides the point.)CmdrKing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:45 amBut undeniably it is very much viewing all of its themes and inspirations through a trans lens, because too much of the movie is so obviously personal and too many of the specifics are so clearly a way to make trans struggles understandable and digestible to a cis audience.
They haven't seen it that way because it doesn't mention anything about being trans.Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pmThen the movie fails in this regard, because clearly most of the cis audience hasn't seen it that way. I mean, I can look at a lot of art "in a certain way" or "through a lense" and interpret all kinds of meanings into it from this switched perspective and there's merit to that, a lot in fact. But if I want to tell my audience something, this way of structuring the art doesn't work. (And yes, I am aware of executive meddling and I'd have been very happy to have at least Switch being her "true self" instead of this random androgynious person getting offed, but that is besides the point.)CmdrKing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:45 amBut undeniably it is very much viewing all of its themes and inspirations through a trans lens, because too much of the movie is so obviously personal and too many of the specifics are so clearly a way to make trans struggles understandable and digestible to a cis audience.
You are reaching there. The vast majority of humankind doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try and it has nothing to do with "not being able to see beyond cis". On the contrary, what you are painting there is a really ugly picture, because everyone who doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try must be gay/bi/trans/attackhelicopter, according to your statement.GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:13 pm Yeah, in all honesty you can make a character trans in everything but specifically saying "I'm transgender", and the character will be interpreted as cis by most of the audience. I mean look at Khorra. We have a woman who bounced from a dysfunctional relationship with a guy she thought "oh this is the perfect hot, cool, amazing guy to date" but later admitted they had no attraction and no chemistry, to a dysfunctional relationship with a guy she was good friends with and remained good friends with, but had no real chemistry, to a relationship with a woman. And still half the audience said "I can't believe she's gay!" Like really, really, there were no clues? None whatsoever?
There's an extreme amount of heteronormativity in western culture that virtually guarantees that anyone who doesn't specifically come out and say "I'm cisgender, I'm gay, etc." will be read as straight, sometimes to the point where audiences will be outright angry when they discover otherwise.
He didn't say "not able," he referred to directed attention and expectations of the character. The problem is choice.Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:20 pmYou are reaching there. The vast majority of humankind doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try and it has nothing to do with "not being able to see beyond cis". On the contrary, what you are painting there is a really ugly picture, because everyone who doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try must be gay/bi/trans/attackhelicopter, according to your statement.GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:13 pm Yeah, in all honesty you can make a character trans in everything but specifically saying "I'm transgender", and the character will be interpreted as cis by most of the audience. I mean look at Khorra. We have a woman who bounced from a dysfunctional relationship with a guy she thought "oh this is the perfect hot, cool, amazing guy to date" but later admitted they had no attraction and no chemistry, to a dysfunctional relationship with a guy she was good friends with and remained good friends with, but had no real chemistry, to a relationship with a woman. And still half the audience said "I can't believe she's gay!" Like really, really, there were no clues? None whatsoever?
There's an extreme amount of heteronormativity in western culture that virtually guarantees that anyone who doesn't specifically come out and say "I'm cisgender, I'm gay, etc." will be read as straight, sometimes to the point where audiences will be outright angry when they discover otherwise.
Well, as we've established, you're an absolute spanner, so why am I not surprised at this moronic drivel of a response. If at some point you have something resembling a coherent idea... actually I honestly hope to fuck if you manage that at some point in your life you don't waste it on this website. I doubt you've got more than two or three of them in you.Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:20 pm You are reaching there. The vast majority of humankind doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try and it has nothing to do with "not being able to see beyond cis". On the contrary, what you are painting there is a really ugly picture, because everyone who doesn't find their perfect partner on the first try must be gay/bi/trans/attackhelicopter, according to your statement.