Star Wars Calling Out Rey's Unearned Powers?

[CharlesPhipps]

Well we know she can fight because she lives on a hellhole of a planet.

I wish she'd had a double bladed lightsaber because that would go with staff fighting.

[Madner Kami]

@Al-1701 In regards to Luke's learning the Force in ANH, all he did was block a few shots from a practice droid and make one impossible shot. Rey does to something similar in TFA when she manages to turn on and off the Millennium Falcon to give Finn the perfect shot he needed to take down the Tie-Fighter and when she closed the door at just the right moment to save Finn.

I don't mind these two moments in the slightest because it HAS been firmly established that those who have an unknowing connection to the Force have heightened senses and faster reflexes. So, Rey's skills from act one through two are perfectly justifiable in my mind, I'm even one of the few people who wasn't bothered by her fixing the Falcon via her bypass trick.

But after Kylo interrogates her she is able to pull off, in order, a Mind Trick (which took Luke 6 or 7 years to master) a Force Pull (which took Luke 5 years to master) and knew how to wield a lightsaber (and keep in mind that Kylo's injury didn't even slow him down during the fight given how he was largely playing with Finn only for Rey to best him in combat).

And from what we're told in both the films and supplementary martial Ben Solo was training to be a Force User for most of his life before his encounter with Rey. So, yes, from what the text of the series has told us Kylo Ren/Ben Solo did have decades of training from both Luke and Snoke aka Palpatine. Both even make a point at just how much power Kylo has that is supposedly on par with Rey and we're seen what he can do with the Force.

Again, I'm willing to buy all the fancy tricks Rey pulled off before her encounter with Kylo but after that based on what the other films AND the supplementary material has told us Rey being able to suddenly use the Force with no training is quite silly and makes her OP.

What the first sequel installment misses is, properly establishing the bond between Kylo and Rey. Everything outstanding that Rey does and which she shouldn't be able to pull of, can safely be explained by Kylo messing around with her head, when the force spontaneously decided to kinda... "fuse" both to each other.

Well we know she can fight because she lives on a hellhole of a planet.

I wish she'd had a double bladed lightsaber because that would go with staff fighting.

As someone who is accustomed to at least basic staff-fighting of various kinds, I can assure you that my knowledge of staff-fighting would instantly be invalid the very moment I can't touch a part of my staff because it's about as hot as a sun.

[Beelzquill]

Well we know she can fight because she lives on a hellhole of a planet.

I wish she'd had a double bladed lightsaber because that would go with staff fighting.

As someone who is accustomed to at least basic staff-fighting of various kinds, I can assure you that my knowledge of staff-fighting would instantly be invalid the very moment I can't touch a part of my staff because it's about as hot as a sun.

Isn't the double bladed lightsaber handle(Hilt?) extra long so you could use it like a staff, a very short staff that restricts your movement because it instaburns you if you touch the ends, but probably not completely invalit for an experienced staff fighter right? Though, I actually do hate the double-sided lightsabers because it just doesn't seem to have reach which is the whole point of staffs anyway.

[Riedquat]

Well we know she can fight because she lives on a hellhole of a planet.

I wish she'd had a double bladed lightsaber because that would go with staff fighting.

As someone who is accustomed to at least basic staff-fighting of various kinds, I can assure you that my knowledge of staff-fighting would instantly be invalid the very moment I can't touch a part of my staff because it's about as hot as a sun.

Isn't the double bladed lightsaber handle(Hilt?) extra long so you could use it like a staff, a very short staff that restricts your movement because it instaburns you if you touch the ends, but probably not completely invalit for an experienced staff fighter right? Though, I actually do hate the double-sided lightsabers because it just doesn't seem to have reach which is the whole point of staffs anyway.

Very much a rule of cool thing. It gets a pass from me because I don't know the first thing about fighting but I can sympathise with anyone who does and gets annoyed with them.

[Beelzquill]

Very much a rule of cool thing. It gets a pass from me because I don't know the first thing about fighting but I can sympathise with anyone who does and gets annoyed with them.

Oh, I totally get that, I'm a Warhammer 40k fan, where little things like the square cube law and basic armor design are thrown clearly out the window so we can have Giant Walking Cathedrals shoot down armies of tanks and large Pauldron having boys stab things with ludicrously heavy chainsaws shaped like swords that no one should be able to wield.

[Madner Kami]

Isn't the double bladed lightsaber handle(Hilt?) extra long so you could use it like a staff, a very short staff that restricts your movement because it instaburns you if you touch the ends, but probably not completely invalit for an experienced staff fighter right? Though, I actually do hate the double-sided lightsabers because it just doesn't seem to have reach which is the whole point of staffs anyway.

Most double-bladed lightsabers depicted, especially the classic first installment of Darth Maul, show a hilt of about three times the length of a regular lightsaber:



You are not going to get a lot of leverage or any sort of range-advantage out of that in a blade to blade engagement and range and leverage is kind of the point of most staff-fighting techniques. The hilt is just long enough to allow the user to spin the thing in flashy ways with both hands and doing this with a light-saber will almost inevitably make you kill yourself, as such ways of spinning the staff are done very close to the body. So in essence, you'd be stuck with a weapon that gives you the same reach and the same leverage as a regular light-saber, except that you can't properly execute traditional sword-fighting techniques as the thing cuts both ways, literally and neither can you do traditional staff-fighting techniques, as your hands are stuck to the center (roughly) third of the thing.

Now granted there are techniques out there, that center around shorter sticks (thinking about escrima in particular), but none of those rely on both ends of the stick hitting the target or quickly flipping the "hitting end", which you can do with a proper quarterstaff or bo or a similarly, longer staff, quite the contrary even as they are used similarly to cudgels.

Pretty much the only way a double-bladed lightsaber would give you an advantage is, if the "hilt" is by far the longest part of the thing, with just the tips being really short "light-blades", similar to how some staffs have weighted or reinforced ends. Wierdly enough, none of the double-bladed lightsabers I've seen in ever is designed that way. They all look more or less like Maul's. But the Maul-fight is just so much eye-candy, that I choose to overlook the practical implications or, rather, the lack of any practicality, as Maul basically ends up fighting at a severe range-, leverage- and impact-disadvantage the entire time. Really the way he fights is, as if you'd fight with a backhanded weapon, like Ashoka Tano often does. There's good reason for why no traditional martial art advocates for a primarily backhanded fighting-style, because they all died to "conventional" wielders.

[Beelzquill]

Most double-bladed lightsabers depicted, especially the classic first installment of Darth Maul, show a hilt of about three times the length of a regular lightsaber:



You are not going to get a lot of leverage or any sort of range-advantage out of that in a blade to blade engagement and range and leverage is kind of the point of most staff-fighting techniques. The hilt is just long enough to allow the user to spin the thing in flashy ways with both hands and doing this with a light-saber will almost inevitably make you kill yourself, as such ways of spinning the staff are done very close to the body. So in essence, you'd be stuck with a weapon that gives you the same reach and the same leverage as a regular light-saber, except that you can't properly execute traditional sword-fighting techniques as the thing cuts both ways, literally and neither can you do traditional staff-fighting techniques, as your hands are stuck to the center (roughly) third of the thing.

Now granted there are techniques out there, that center around shorter sticks, but none of those rely on both ends of the stick hitting the target or quickly flipping the "hitting end", which you can do with a proper quarterstaff or bo or a similarly, longer staff, quite the contrary even as they are used similarly to cudgels.

Pretty much the only way a double-bladed lightsaber would give you an advantage is, if the "hilt" is by far the longest part of the thing, with just the tips being really short "light-blades", similar to how some staffs have weighted or reinforced ends. Wierdly enough, none of the double-bladed lightsabers I've seen in ever is designed that way. They all look more or less like Maul's. But the Maul-fight is just so much eye-candy, that I choose overlook the practical implications.

Thank you for the info. The only thing close to the "light blade" on the end of a stick that I can think of is Emperor's Guard in Return of the Jedi, but I don't think those were lightsaber weapons. how ridiculous would a "light bayonet" be by the way. Then again it might actually make storm troopers effective in combat for once.

[CharlesPhipps]

I feel like people are questioning, "Why can they hear explosions in space" with the DBLS.

[TGLS]

DBLS? Doubles? Di Basic Lead Stearate? Distribution Based Logistics System?

[Beelzquill]

Double Bladed Light Saber I think.