Madner Kami wrote:I feel this movie is a good example of why teasers and trailers (and story-details in general) should not be released until the movie is finished and will absolutely not be changed anymore. The vibe I get from the movie is, that it was changed in post-production based on the reaction and expectations of the fanbase.
Looking at the 'Art of the Last Jedi' I think the movie is more or less shown as it was shot. Marketing may have played up certain expectations but seeing behind the scenes leads me to believe that Rian Johnson wasn't interested in rehashing certain things, or going in the expected direction. He was willing to take the kinds of risk some in the fandom said they wanted, which is why this seems so polarizing.
ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:There's been a lot of discussion and debate about the legitimacy of the low user scores on sites like rottentomatoes and metacritic (scores at 54% and 4.9, respectively). According to rottentomatoes, at least, the score there is authentic- https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/20 ... 6b511b4231.
It almost feels like this movie was made as some sort of social experiment. This is not only the most polarizing Star Wars movie I've seen (although to be fair, ubiquitous social media does a lot to change perception of the public's reaction), but I don't know if I've ever seen such a concerted effort by two sides of fandom to control the narrative around the movie.
Some have insinuated that only a vocal minority with ulterior motives (e.g. the alt-right, EU fans) dislike the movie, but every fan poll or discussion I've looked at follows a pretty similar pattern- more people like the movie than dislike it, but fans are more likely to hate it than see it as the best of the best.
When tempers die down a bit and people gain some long-view perspective, I think The Last Jedi will lead to some interesting discussions about fandom, the baggage everyone brings into a movie, and what responsibilities a filmmaker should or should not have if his film is part of a franchise.
The movies not perfect, in my opinion, but I love so much of what it does and the overall message about failure not being the end that what I don't like feels minor to me. I also love the reveal of Rey's parents, and one thing I've seen a LOT of online is people arguing that Kylo Ren was lying and that she IS a child of destiny. That and the idea that Snoke is still around and will be the ultimate evil. Fans spent about two years arguing over those aspects of the story and the reveal wasn't what many expected.
Madner Kami wrote:I feel this movie is a good example of why teasers and trailers (and story-details in general) should not be released until the movie is finished and will absolutely not be changed anymore. The vibe I get from the movie is, that it was changed in post-production based on the reaction and expectations of the fanbase.
Unless they were doing re-shoots (like what happen with Justice League. Whedon did the re-shoots and overall it seems a bit obvious where was Whedon's work and Snyder's work. That also seems to be the reason why Superman, in some scenes, had to have a CGI lip. Because the actor was under contract by another studio to grow and keep that mustache and he couldn't shave it. WB tried to negotiated with the other studio but failed. So, they CGI it out and CGI his upper lip back on) the only real way to change a movie would be through editing.
Madner Kami wrote:I feel this movie is a good example of why teasers and trailers (and story-details in general) should not be released until the movie is finished and will absolutely not be changed anymore. The vibe I get from the movie is, that it was changed in post-production based on the reaction and expectations of the fanbase.
Unless they were doing re-shoots (like what happen with Justice League. Whedon did the re-shoots and overall it seems a bit obvious where was Whedon's work and Snyder's work. That also seems to be the reason why Superman, in some scenes, had to have a CGI lip. Because the actor was under contract by another studio to grow and keep that mustache and he couldn't shave it. WB tried to negotiated with the other studio but failed. So, they CGI it out and CGI his upper lip back on) the only real way to change a movie would be through editing.
The thing is a production this big can't do reshoots in secret and there was no scoop on re-shoots being done.
