What is Your Opinion on The Last Jedi?

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You said that he didn't show guilt or remorse and I'm disagreeing.

He cried, he says he should be better than this, he can barely admit to what he did because it tore him up inside...those are absolutely signs of guilt and remorse. Screaming "I HATE THEM!" isn't enough to say he doesn't.

Psychotic yes, but not psychopathic.
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He doesn't act sorry, no. Unless you want to argue that he's crazy, which... is really not a good thing to try and present in a protagonist unless you're doing so deliberately, especially in a warrior monk with superpowers.
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You guys talking about Liam Neeson?
..What mirror universe?
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He does act sorry, and I'm definitely arguing that he's crazy yes.

Of course it's not a good quality to have in a superpower monk...but, you know, that's kind of the point; it IS deliberate. It's supposed to be the story of how a guy turns into Darth Vader. He's not going to wake up one day and just decide to wear a big black cape and choke everybody after a lifetime of saintliness.
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It's so vague that it's open to interpretation, and given how petulant and arrogant and self-absorbed and childish he is in that film, no, I don't agree.
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there must be something in the water in Hollywood or academia or where ever----as I guess a good ol'-fashioned story about idealistic good persons versus evil is lame, passé and only for the culturally insensitive grandpas of the world.

Everyone has to be emo and mopey or make illogical plot decisions simply because the script demands it.
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This thing about Anakin isn't so different from Kirk saying he'll never trust Klingons for killing his son, then the council finds him guilty of murder because of that.
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Except Kirk never murdered Klingon women and children in revenge. Just the one who did so.
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technobabbler wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:01 am there must be something in the water in Hollywood or academia or where ever----as I guess a good ol'-fashioned story about idealistic good persons versus evil is lame, passé and only for the culturally insensitive grandpas of the world.

Everyone has to be emo and mopey or make illogical plot decisions simply because the script demands it.
Not because the script demands it, but because customers buy that and they buy it more readily than the old stories.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:09 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:51 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:10 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:46 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:16 pm http://jaredmithrandirolorin.blogspot.c ... quels.html

Way back in April of 2015, when I optimistic about the prospect of Disney making Star Wars movies, I made a post called Why I Like Prequels. Where I explained that I like Prequels more then Sequels because Prequels don't have the option of doing the most shocking thing possible just for shock value.
Really? Because I don't know what else you could call having Anakin Skywalker commit mass murder years before his fall to the dark side.
It kinda made sense for the plot and it's not like the massacre was shot like some Rob Zombie blood and guts stuff.
No it doesn't, it fundamentally undermines Anakin as a character because he's not a good man that fell to darkness, he's an evil man that stopped pretending.
Stopped pretending? He fought in the Clone Wars as a good guy.
He fought the CSA, that doesn't in itself make him a good guy any more that Stalin was a good man because he fought the Nazis.
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