Star Wars Canon Debate

[Yukaphile]

I know, but I can't recall if he ever answered.

I have people I've blocked too. I rarely check out what they say.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I know, but I can't recall if he ever answered.

I have people I've blocked too. I rarely check out what they say.

So I take it you haven't blocked me, or that I'm a notable exception among those you have?

[Karha of Honor]

Why you still responding to me, um... Mr. Honor? You blocked me. I saw.

Nevertheless, most of the loudest noise I see is coming from right-wingers. And for all the wrong reasons. Complaining about gender and racial differences when honestly, that should be secondary to the story and plot. Original Star Wars heavily favored white men, but that does not mean the story and characters were weak. It's just in the absence of a strong story with engaging characters, right-wingers focus on the bullshit superficial stuff that doesn't matter. Not that extreme left-wingers don't, because they are the biggest party responsible for the stigmatization of white people, but regardless, the loudest, stupidest kind of hate is coming from right-wingers. Like the hate against Kelly Marie Tran for her race and gender. Calling her a "dumb and autistic jungle retard." I hate political correctness, of course, but damn, that's just savage. That person meant to hurt somebody as much as possible.

I told you. Not in a pm, but i did. I qouted you.

They are complainnign about the differences?

How do you know they are from right wingers...?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ss/572581/

All sorts of people dislike pc.

It would not matter in a vacuum. It sadly does based on how the talent is acting...

I would love to know the process of speculation for thse claims.

Kathleen Kennedy going on radio silence is NOT a damned good idea. Especially since Last Jedi was so divisive. It makes them look like thin-skinned, uptight cowards. And how they are ever going to get a pulse on fandom if they don't do that?

They can just fire her and start measuring the pulse...

[Yukaphile]

@BridgeConsoleMasher Nope, haven't blocked you.

@SlashGallagher/Karha of Honor You did so at a time I had left the forum and was feeling quite alienated and upset, not just here, but about things elsewhere, so maybe it wasn't the best point to do so? That wasn't my question. It was, why are you still quoting me when you've put my on "foe?" And left-wingers can hate political correctness too. I am one such person, because I feel stigmatization against white people is acceptable nowadays even if I believe in white privilege. That's where I don't complain about racial and gendered differences, because seriously, did you just ignore that guy dropping an N-bomb into bitching about a new black stormtrooper? Doesn't strike me as a die-hard nerd or a decent person, because I'm a die-hard nerd, and I knew the clones where phased out in favor of actual raw recruits, and I know a friend who likewise did not know, but he'd NEVER drop an N-bomb and he is from a good home and pure centrist. And yeah, fire her, but who replaces here? There's always a possibility somebody worse steps in...

[Karha of Honor]

@BridgeConsoleMasher Nope, haven't blocked you.

@SlashGallagher/Karha of Honor You did so at a time I had left the forum and was feeling quite alienated and upset, not just here, but about things elsewhere, so maybe it wasn't the best point to do so? That wasn't my question. It was, why are you still quoting me when you've put my on "foe?" And left-wingers can hate political correctness too. I am one such person, because I feel stigmatization against white people is acceptable nowadays even if I believe in white privilege. That's where I don't complain about racial and gendered differences, because seriously, did you just ignore that guy dropping an N-bomb into bitching about a new black stormtrooper? Doesn't strike me as a die-hard nerd or a decent person, because I'm a die-hard nerd, and I knew the clones where phased out in favor of actual raw recruits, and I know a friend who likewise did not know, but he'd NEVER drop an N-bomb and he is from a good home and pure centrist. And yeah, fire her, but who replaces here? There's always a possibility somebody worse steps in...

Hell yeah i did and i would do it again. It could had been some false flag asshole for all you know. if it was it would be irrelevant.

How fucking hard is it to find someone better if they are actually open minded?

[Yukaphile]

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[Yukaphile]

I mean, look what they did! They brought Legends planets like Kessel and Malachor V into canon, but change their looks. Why? Ringo Vinda proves they're not opposed to more diverse-looking planets, yet they change the looks once they bring them into canon? That just makes them on the same level as easter eggs, basically.

[Nealithi]

I am a bit at the beginning of this debate. But I like how instead of canon/noncanon. Disney put everything not on film or tv as 'legends'. Meaning it still has some 'soft' canon to it and may be made true in the future. Why like it. . Evolution of star fighters. Among other things. You get to see things change without waiting for a movie to do it for you. And not everything is done by someone named Skywalker or related to the name. Legends gives room for more heroes of other stories. That is why I like some of it.

[Karha of Honor]

I am a bit at the beginning of this debate. But I like how instead of canon/noncanon. Disney put everything not on film or tv as 'legends'. Meaning it still has some 'soft' canon to it and may be made true in the future. Why like it. . Evolution of star fighters. Among other things. You get to see things change without waiting for a movie to do it for you. And not everything is done by someone named Skywalker or related to the name. Legends gives room for more heroes of other stories. That is why I like some of it.

It means it's non canon and more or less dead.

[Yukaphile]

@Nealithi I guess that's my point. I seriously think their views of canon boil down to this, which is most "canon:"

Movies > TV shows > video games > comic books > novels.

Because the least interaction you have with the environment, and can turn your brain off, that's where they see the most money, because they have such a high opinion of their viewers, don't they? Movies take the number one slot because they, theoretically, make billions of dollars and they want their own version of the MCU. Nuff said. TV shows because it's easy to understand this mindset. Sit down and watch something. Video games would be third because we live in a video game environment, and they're more popular and mainstream than ever, but it still requires deep interaction with the game environment. Comic books because unlike novels, they at least have "pretty pictures." And the novels would be dead last because "reading is boring" and "who wants to read" in today's hyper-connected, ADD-filtered social media world? I do disagree that there's still a "soft" canon to it. There was always a level of soft canon. Now with Legends terminated, it's in another continuity, yet they rushed the new material so quickly to try and cash in, they didn't fully understand what they were doing, or how it would affect the fans. Again, I cite incompetent leadership. They should have decanonized saying it had a soft canon layer in another continuity, that it's still as valid as the new canon is. And there's still potential there. But that would imply they have respect for their fans, and they're really just a big, greedy business looking to make money in a cold and sterile way. They don't care.