Star Trek casts its first non-binary and transgender actors

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:51 am Meh sorry.
My point is that, that relationship protrayed on screen seemed as natural for a society that is past the labels.

Come to think of it, I did like the casual mention of a wife to Jett Reno. That and I happen to like the character because she reminds me a guy I work with.
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McAvoy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:24 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:51 am Meh sorry.
My point is that, that relationship protrayed on screen seemed as natural for a society that is past the labels.

Come to think of it, I did like the casual mention of a wife to Jett Reno. That and I happen to like the character because she reminds me a guy I work with.
I was apologizing for misjudging your post.

The funny thing about the labels and what not is that that's more like real life either way, and that's incidentally the only way you can get away with writing gay characters.

Teleplays are usually packed to the brim with social stereotypes as it's traditionally a 21 or 42 minute punctual shorthand for real life. Telephone calls are pretty much like someone talking to their own speed of thought, and people only stop talking extensively if they're supposed to be depressed or something. High school kids are never really high school kids, but people don't mind because they use archetypes that are more or less recognized in real life. Doing that for a homosexual or native American completely backfires and it's nearly impossible to portray them with that format.
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McAvoy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:24 am My point is that, that relationship protrayed on screen seemed as natural for a society that is past the labels.

Come to think of it, I did like the casual mention of a wife to Jett Reno. That and I happen to like the character because she reminds me a guy I work with.
Same here, Jett Reno was a great addition to the cast in Season 2, I love her snarkiness, and her hands no approach to engineering was a lot of fun, and the bit of rivalry between her and Stamets was absolutely enjoyable, and as you said I to like her talking about her wife, that conversation was very natural, I hope we get more of her in Season 3.

Honestly while the overall story lines of Discovery are hit or miss for me, I find the series strengths are in its cast of characters and their personal stories, I was more invested in Burnham reconnecting with Spock, Culber dealing with coming back from the dead and being in a new body, the heartbreak of Stamets being reuniting with Culber and wanting things to go back to how they were but not being able to, Pike wanting to prove himself and make up for being sidelined in the war, and then seeing his fate in the future, just to name a few, than the whole evil A.I. from the future wanting to destroy all life because they were inspired by the Terminator franchise.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:51 am I was apologizing for misjudging your post.

The funny thing about the labels and what not is that that's more like real life either way, and that's incidentally the only way you can get away with writing gay characters.

Teleplays are usually packed to the brim with social stereotypes as it's traditionally a 21 or 42 minute punctual shorthand for real life. Telephone calls are pretty much like someone talking to their own speed of thought, and people only stop talking extensively if they're supposed to be depressed or something. High school kids are never really high school kids, but people don't mind because they use archetypes that are more or less recognized in real life. Doing that for a homosexual or native American completely backfires and it's nearly impossible to portray them with that format.
Indeed, especially if (in the case of Star Trek during the TNG era) the episode is structured in a was that you don't need to watch any prior episode to be caught up with the series, with the serialised format and just streaming services in general characters can bring up these facts about themselves when its relevant and natural to do so like in the case with Stamets, Culber and Reno.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:51 am
McAvoy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:24 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:51 am Meh sorry.
My point is that, that relationship protrayed on screen seemed as natural for a society that is past the labels.

Come to think of it, I did like the casual mention of a wife to Jett Reno. That and I happen to like the character because she reminds me a guy I work with.
I was apologizing for misjudging your post.

The funny thing about the labels and what not is that that's more like real life either way, and that's incidentally the only way you can get away with writing gay characters.

Teleplays are usually packed to the brim with social stereotypes as it's traditionally a 21 or 42 minute punctual shorthand for real life. Telephone calls are pretty much like someone talking to their own speed of thought, and people only stop talking extensively if they're supposed to be depressed or something. High school kids are never really high school kids, but people don't mind because they use archetypes that are more or less recognized in real life. Doing that for a homosexual or native American completely backfires and it's nearly impossible to portray them with that format.
Hm, it's almost as if people are having trouble with a character whose main focus and defining trait is his/hers/its sexuality, front, left and center.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
Hm, it's almost as if people are having trouble with a character whose main focus and defining trait is his/hers/its sexuality, front, left and center.
Well I mean it's a bit of a rorschach test at a certain point. One group of people mainly define the portrayal by its projected effects on society while another is equal parts being snobbish about their franchises and reacting indifferently to qualities of a piece they aren't readily familiar with for theatrical purposes.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:51 am
McAvoy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:24 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:51 am Meh sorry.
My point is that, that relationship protrayed on screen seemed as natural for a society that is past the labels.

Come to think of it, I did like the casual mention of a wife to Jett Reno. That and I happen to like the character because she reminds me a guy I work with.
I was apologizing for misjudging your post.

The funny thing about the labels and what not is that that's more like real life either way, and that's incidentally the only way you can get away with writing gay characters.

Teleplays are usually packed to the brim with social stereotypes as it's traditionally a 21 or 42 minute punctual shorthand for real life. Telephone calls are pretty much like someone talking to their own speed of thought, and people only stop talking extensively if they're supposed to be depressed or something. High school kids are never really high school kids, but people don't mind because they use archetypes that are more or less recognized in real life. Doing that for a homosexual or native American completely backfires and it's nearly impossible to portray them with that format.
Hm, it's almost as if people are having trouble with a character whose main focus and defining trait is his/hers/its sexuality, front, left and center.
Genuine question because I actually don't know: The non-binary character, is the correct pronoun actually ''it'' or is that just a piss take?

I can see myself getting so many complaints in the near future for misgendering, all because ''it'' is incorrect grammar when referring to a human being. You call a refrigerator an ''it''. You do not call a human an ''it''. An ''it'' is an object. If you want to be non-binary, fine, but come up with a better pronoun than a word that already has a different meaning. And its confusing as fuck too. To this day I have never managed to get more than a chapter into ''The Road'' by Cormac McCarthy because i do not have the patience to read a book without quotation marks. If I cannot manage to get through a book that won a Pulitzer prize, I am not managing a book with a protagonist that calls itself ''it''.

I can see this literary brilliance now: ''It needs a new muffler,'' it said as it looked at it. ''Oh well,'' it said with a sigh. ''At least it won't cost me as much as it did last time.''
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I've never heard of "it" being a gender pronoun, and isn't really something you should ever resort to for that matter when referring to a person. Twitter is the only thing I'm aware of where it is customary for people to showcase their particular pronoun on their profile, whether it's generic or trans-oriented.

Past that, I don't know how you're expected to presume a non customary pronoun. Typically the third person tense tends to be less direct in matters like this since you're technically talking to someone else, so it's somewhat not as likely a problem even despite how someone will act about it. If it comes to a fork in the road, then I'd just recognize that I'm not certain myself and just say "that person" or even just "they" despite that being kind of ordained in the sub lexicon.
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If you wanted to make it clear how normalized and widely accepted trans people are in the Trek universe, you could have everyone introduce themselves with their pronouns, but it's a bit late in the show for that.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:41 pm If you wanted to make it clear how normalized and widely accepted trans people are in the Trek universe, you could have everyone introduce themselves with their pronouns, but it's a bit late in the show for that.
Or is it..?

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