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AllanO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:13 am

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:30 pm It could be that the implication was that that the initial fraud would not have been enough to ruin Tarses, but it does contradict the literal interpretation. Picard's speechifying, not writing a computer program, so you can consider a bunch of things are being left unspoken.

Note two scenes early he had this exchange with Satin.

TNG wrote: SATIE: And how, may I ask, have you managed to determine that?
PICARD: I've talked with him.
SATIE: I see. And he told you he was a victim of circumstance, blameless and pure.
PICARD: No, he admits his mistake in falsifying his application. That does not make him a traitor.

I actually looked that up before I responded to you earlier. So Satin knows that Picard has admitted the guys guilt of the falsifying his application charge, the later Picard speech has to be understood in light of that earlier admission.

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:33 pm If he were talking just to Satie in the court proceedings later, I might agree. But he seems (to me) to be talking to the entire audience. It's strictly a matter of how I perceived that, of course.

AllanO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:40 pm

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:33 pm If he were talking just to Satie in the court proceedings later, I might agree. But he seems (to me) to be talking to the entire audience. It's strictly a matter of how I perceived that, of course.

Well if the audience is the people watching the show we all saw that scene a few minutes earlier. Its clumsy writing for Picard to take what he said in private two scenes earlier as understood by everyone in this public court room scene. Still, why have that scene earlier if we are supposed to be ignoring it in understanding what Picard is thinking?

AllanO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:25 pm On the theme of confused morals that are clearly the intended morals. The Cage/The Menagerie morals are that if your deformed best to live in a world of illusions (that "normal" people would die rather than be trapped in) rather than put up with the disgust and pity of those around you, (and in Menagerie) doubly so if you are also disabled (no other chance for a fulfilling life). Not just according to wishy washy human sentiment but rather to cold Vulcan logic. This has a partial external explanation by being a product of writers from a time when people were less accepting of visible deformity and the potential of people with disabilities to have fulfilling lives less appreciated, although I have to wonder if people at the time found it clueless and insulting.

Edit: Not sure this is a hopeful vision of the future...

An unintended confusion is why 20th century scientist Stephen Hawking has better technology to deal with his paralysis and inability to speak than 23rd century hero of the Federation Captain Pike?

TGLS wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:34 pm I dunno. Mudd was punished with psychiatry for his hooliganism, so presumably they only send well-balanced renaissance men like Tom Paris to New Zealand.

TGLS wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:00 pm And only if your Human. Andorians? Vulcans? Ferengi? Gorn? Cardassians? Totally Cool.