I'd put the Video games last if we're being honest considering that they basically used stories from the comics and novels to inform the campaign for EA's Battlefront 2 and the first EA Battlefront didn't have a campaign and was largely treated as a late era Battlefield clone. Otherwise, I would argue that the novels are still viable considering that most of the new canon novels I've personally read have been alright to pretty good so far. The only real miss I've had with the Disney franchise would probably be Chuck Wendig's Aftermath primarily because he chose to write the book in a confusing style that made it difficult to get a firm grasp on the plot which is unfortunate considering that there where some interesting elements in the book.Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:17 pm @Nealithi I guess that's my point. I seriously think their views of canon boil down to this, which is most "canon:"
Movies > TV shows > video games > comic books > novels.
Because the least interaction you have with the environment, and can turn your brain off, that's where they see the most money, because they have such a high opinion of their viewers, don't they? Movies take the number one slot because they, theoretically, make billions of dollars and they want their own version of the MCU. Nuff said. TV shows because it's easy to understand this mindset. Sit down and watch something. Video games would be third because we live in a video game environment, and they're more popular and mainstream than ever, but it still requires deep interaction with the game environment. Comic books because unlike novels, they at least have "pretty pictures." And the novels would be dead last because "reading is boring" and "who wants to read" in today's hyper-connected, ADD-filtered social media world? I do disagree that there's still a "soft" canon to it. There was always a level of soft canon. Now with Legends terminated, it's in another continuity, yet they rushed the new material so quickly to try and cash in, they didn't fully understand what they were doing, or how it would affect the fans. Again, I cite incompetent leadership. They should have decanonized saying it had a soft canon layer in another continuity, that it's still as valid as the new canon is. And there's still potential there. But that would imply they have respect for their fans, and they're really just a big, greedy business looking to make money in a cold and sterile way. They don't care.
Star Wars Canon Debate
Re: Star Wars Canon Debate
-
Yukaphile
- Overlord
- Posts: 8778
- Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:14 am
- Location: Rabid Posting World
- Contact:
Re: Star Wars Canon Debate
I'm not talking about the quality of the writing so much as their condescending opinions of their viewers.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Re: Star Wars Canon Debate
Truthfully I can see that condescension but, for me the evidence of that condescension comes from the quality of the product I am consuming rather than a creator having to deal with ultra orthodox elements of the fandom.
-
Yukaphile
- Overlord
- Posts: 8778
- Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:14 am
- Location: Rabid Posting World
- Contact:
Re: Star Wars Canon Debate
They both feed into each other. I was initially very upset about the decanonizing of Legends, and it was how they worded it. And treated their new "respectable," so-called, canon. It's as if "what is official now (in other words, what WE are working on)" is a billion times better than that old stuff because it's canon now! It's incompetent and shows they didn't care about Legends or being kind in decanonizing it because they were too busy rushing out a sequel trilogy to make money and build their own version of the MCU. And Solo really kind of proved how badly that failed. Will it hold up with Return... er, Rise of Skywalker? I have no idea. They are pulling out all the stops fanservice-wise, but then, they can't win. If it's more like Star Wars and Luke is alive and more like himself, then you have to ignore the second episode. If it's more consistent to the second episode, then it really feel like that story peaked with Last Jedi, and thus the third is unnecessary. I'm not going to see it. I am still boycotting.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Re: Star Wars Canon Debate
All will be well.Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:53 pm They both feed into each other. I was initially very upset about the decanonizing of Legends, and it was how they worded it. And treated their new "respectable," so-called, canon. It's as if "what is official now (in other words, what WE are working on)" is a billion times better than that old stuff because it's canon now! It's incompetent and shows they didn't care about Legends or being kind in decanonizing it because they were too busy rushing out a sequel trilogy to make money and build their own version of the MCU. And Solo really kind of proved how badly that failed. Will it hold up with Return... er, Rise of Skywalker? I have no idea. They are pulling out all the stops fanservice-wise, but then, they can't win. If it's more like Star Wars and Luke is alive and more like himself, then you have to ignore the second episode. If it's more consistent to the second episode, then it really feel like that story peaked with Last Jedi, and thus the third is unnecessary. I'm not going to see it. I am still boycotting.
