Kathleen Kennedy says there's no source material for Star Wars

[Yukaphile]

Your reference escapes me. Either way, enjoy new canon, hate Legends, all you want. No skin off my nose. But on topic, this feels incredibly validating to me.

[hammerofglass]

In the movie Luke keeps all of the ancient Jedi texts in a tree. He never actually read them, and Ghost Yoda makes fun of him for it and burns the tree down. Rey had already stolen them when she gave up on getting any actual training from Luke and left.

That's where that "The Sacred Texts!" meme came from.

Not sure why you think I hate Legends. The original Thrawn Trilogy is the best Star Wars thing period in my opinion, and I'm literally waiting for SWTOR to patch right now. I just also like a lot of the new stuff.

Or you could always use that Fantasy Flight universe where both are canon somehow and you just try not to think about it.

[Yukaphile]

I'm just saying anyone is free to hate Legends, or love the new stuff. My biggest criticism is those in charge, not just their incompetence, but their language. And since I don't see them as artists, but salesmen, then it's even more illogical. Which ties back into the first point, their incompetence. Alienating the niche that is Legends fans is not wise if they ever wanna sell to us again. Because of their condescending and untrue language, I would never be inclined to check out any new Legends material, whether an adaptation of The Old Republic like Kennedy says, or anything new from whatever era in Legends, because of that.

Let me put it this way.

> says Legends is a mess.
> builds their own mess over five years.

As I said, that's part of the creative process. But their language is all wrong. Not that this is a new phenomenon to Star Wars, btw. While George was never "patronizing," he definitely did shade the truth like a salesman, though that was less over being a salesman and because he was OCD and I think he was the everyman whose fame briefly went to his head. It would happen to the best of us.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Alienating the niche that is Legends fans is not wise if they ever wanna sell to us again. Because of their condescending and untrue language, I would never be inclined to check out any new Legends material, whether an adaptation of The Old Republic like Kennedy says, or anything new from whatever era in Legends, because of that.

What the hell are you talking about, the only difference is that legends' questionable canon status is now specifically non-canon. There was never any tissue between the realms.

As far as someone that says this about canon:

"Canon" is meaningless. So that just seems elitist, and a way to duck the question, especially given what Legends did after Endor. So I'll ask again. What do you think of it? The truth, this time. No obfuscation.

What you're talking about seems frivolous and over gripping.

[Yukaphile]

"Layers of canon" is not "questionable." And even if it was, that's no reason to continue George's bullshit policies. Even if they don't consider it non-canon, they are salesman. Saying there's no source material is so stupid, it not only insults Legends fans, but fans who dig deep enough to know what Lucas was inspired by. Is this the right way to sell a product? It's what George said. They've reached the point where they think they know what we want, and that's dangerous. You can see the arrogance dripping off them whenever they speak. It's galling. That's ignoring Legends.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

"Layers of canon" is not "questionable." And even if it was, that's no reason to continue George's bullshit policies. Even if they don't consider it non-canon, they are salesman. Saying there's no source material is so stupid, it not only insults Legends fans, but fans who dig deep enough to know what Lucas was inspired by. Is this the right way to sell a product? It's what George said. They've reached the point where they think they know what we want, and that's dangerous. You can see the arrogance dripping off them whenever they speak. It's galling. That's ignoring Legends.

That comes off more of a case of her slightly misspeaking.

None of the Legends stories are being adapted. Elements of it are. A correction on her part would be more an addendum along the lines of "oh and there's a character based on some of these books that have layered canon (w/ever that means lol! amirite xD)."

[Yukaphile]

And that's their biggest mistake. If they paced themselves, it would stop making Legends fans hungry for more. Because adapting elements boils it down to easter eggs. And as I said, it has the advantage of having mostly been completed, so it doesn't have to be anything big. If they had more time, they could do that, and polish off their movies too. It is literally a case where everyone wins, which is what they want. But then, who they are really selling to now are much larger, so they don't give a shit, and they are arrogant enough to think they can ape the original trilogy and the MCU and build a huge success of that, though the returns have not been promising lately. The language is proof of all that. Saying Legends is a "mess" while building your own mess. And yes, Legends had layers of canon. Jedi Apprentice, for example, is C Canon. You don't call something "canon" and then come along and retroactively wipe it out and then take this approach without expecting to upset the supporters. Now, they could recanonize it under the same rules in an alternate continuity, nothing is stopping them from doing that, but they're businessmen, and poor ones at that, so they don't care, and likely don't care about how the older staff ordered their content. They only care about their new content. While citing George to deflect criticism. Even though they clearly led him along to get what they want.

[Yukaphile]

And btw, I've read all of Jedi Apprentice. So don't say I haven't or something like that. It was my favorite book series as a kid, second only to Animorphs or Harry Potter.

[Mecha82]

None of Legends material has been truly canon. Those have only been canon in minds of fandom that cling to them. Then again it's difficult for those to be canon when those contradict each other and some have they own continueties based on publisher and format. That's how different those visions tend to be compared to each other.

I have read Jedi Apprentice as well when I was teenager and I found it really bad already back then. I find it worse than New Jedi Order that at least is written by actually good author that is Michael J. Stackpole. To me Jedi Apprentice is there with Dark Empire 2 as one of worst Legends stories I have ever read and proof of how bad Legends could be and how false claim that Legends is superior to new material really is.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

And that's their biggest mistake.

Each movie is one of the top grossing films of all time so far.

How is your conjecture of their "mistake" supposed to matter?