Video Game Movies are the new MCU

[McAvoy]

It does seem like the MCU is running out of steam. Avengers: Endgame was awesome but it had a Star Trek 6 feeling to it, like this was intended to be the big send off for the original avengers. If that was their intention then it is not a bad way to wrap things up but it leaves the audience with a sense that it's all over. I think that is why the recent MCU films haven't done as well because they feel kinda anti-climatic at this point.

Pretty much. But also it does seem like the writing has gone downhill too. I don't mean the whole 'woke' thing but other parts of the story. Like nearly ignoring Scarlet Witch's TV series for the Doctor Strange movie.

She-Hulk being really bad. Like the writers had no idea how to write a semi competent lawyer.

Eternals. Just not enough time with them for us to care. Or any mention of that giant dude sticking out of the planet now.

Black Widow came too late and too generic.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Phase 4 mostly seemed to be the result of streaming development and 10-episode movie making. The shows are all well received for the most part, though I didn’t find them very cohesive except for wandavison and doctor strange.

[McAvoy]

Phase 4 mostly seemed to be the result of streaming development and 10-episode movie making. The shows are all well received for the most part, though I didn’t find them very cohesive except for wandavison and doctor strange.

Well received?

I mean outside She-Hulk and Wandavision I was OK with them. Most of them felt like padded out movies. She-Hulk was just not well written never mind the questionable 'man-hate' elements. Wandavision wasn't my thing until the second half of it.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

She-Hulk was just not well written never mind the questionable 'man-hate' elements. Wandavision wasn't my thing until the second half of it.

Yeah it did alright. It's a suitable approach for a satire as far as I can tell, and an appropriate first season introduction for a character that had plenty of room to stretch before doing more with the other shows (as well as her own subsequent seasons).

[McAvoy]

She-Hulk was just not well written never mind the questionable 'man-hate' elements. Wandavision wasn't my thing until the second half of it.

Yeah it did alright. It's a suitable approach for a satire as far as I can tell, and an appropriate first season introduction for a character that had plenty of room to stretch before doing more with the other shows (as well as her own subsequent seasons).

You are talking about She-Hulk?

There are review videos that do a better job than I can and put up clips for the points. But basically she is not a good lawyer. The whole thing with Frogman and using non- standard fuel for his super hero costume is one. She should have known before court that he used the wrong fuel instead of being surprised in court. This is lawyer101.

This whole thing trying to date people was bad. The execution of it, the message of it and storyline wise, was just weak.

Remember in the first episode when she is 'infinitely better' than Hulk as handling her emotions? Well later on she trashes a ceremony going full on Hulk.

[phantom000]

Phase 4 mostly seemed to be the result of streaming development and 10-episode movie making. The shows are all well received for the most part, though I didn’t find them very cohesive except for wandavison and doctor strange.

I am kinda glad that they are taking advantage of streaming and trying a different format that would not be practical otherwise. WandaVision and Loki are basically live action OVAs which probably would not work without the streaming market. It opens some new possibilities they should be taking advantage of for the MCU and Star Wars.

[Thebestoftherest]

She-Hulk was just not well written never mind the questionable 'man-hate' elements. Wandavision wasn't my thing until the second half of it.

Yeah it did alright. It's a suitable approach for a satire as far as I can tell, and an appropriate first season introduction for a character that had plenty of room to stretch before doing more with the other shows (as well as her own subsequent seasons).

You are talking about She-Hulk?

There are review videos that do a better job than I can and put up clips for the points. But basically she is not a good lawyer. The whole thing with Frogman and using non- standard fuel for his super hero costume is one. She should have known before court that he used the wrong fuel instead of being surprised in court. This is lawyer101.

This whole thing trying to date people was bad. The execution of it, the message of it and storyline wise, was just weak.

Remember in the first episode when she is 'infinitely better' than Hulk as handling her emotions? Well later on she trashes a ceremony going full on Hulk.

I think they should hava had Jenny deal with Doc Samson to those scenes, because the whole check your privilege vibe doesn't work when Banner was hunted down like an animal, meanwhile she get childish insults. These two things aren't comparable.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

She-Hulk was just not well written never mind the questionable 'man-hate' elements. Wandavision wasn't my thing until the second half of it.

Yeah it did alright. It's a suitable approach for a satire as far as I can tell, and an appropriate first season introduction for a character that had plenty of room to stretch before doing more with the other shows (as well as her own subsequent seasons).

You are talking about She-Hulk?

There are review videos that do a better job than I can and put up clips for the points. But basically she is not a good lawyer. The whole thing with Frogman and using non- standard fuel for his super hero costume is one. She should have known before court that he used the wrong fuel instead of being surprised in court. This is lawyer101.

This whole thing trying to date people was bad. The execution of it, the message of it and storyline wise, was just weak.

Remember in the first episode when she is 'infinitely better' than Hulk as handling her emotions? Well later on she trashes a ceremony going full on Hulk.

That's totally fine for your take on it. But not being legally accurate isn't really synonymous with a bad show. I didn't mind the dating plots, and I thought it was an enjoyable romp.

I don't think the audience is supposed to hold "infinitely better" in an absolute law of physics manner. She's clearly better at controlling the syndrome off the bat, compared to him who is always at some compromise to the condition. The drama is clear. She has her own flaws as a character that surface in the manner you're talking about. It came with the unforeseen complications of leading a double identity and handling your structured life.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Phase 4 mostly seemed to be the result of streaming development and 10-episode movie making. The shows are all well received for the most part, though I didn’t find them very cohesive except for wandavison and doctor strange.

I am kinda glad that they are taking advantage of streaming and trying a different format that would not be practical otherwise. WandaVision and Loki are basically live action OVAs which probably would not work without the streaming market. It opens some new possibilities they should be taking advantage of for the MCU and Star Wars.

Covid was also still a big cofounding issue that disrupted their plans I believe, but yes it was an appreciable effort imo.

People complained about the 13 episode standard which worked really well for comprehensive movie-caliber narratives and preceded Disney+, which lead to the 10(minus) standard that verges on mini-series scope. Which I'm reminded of every time people stack these narratives up against the movies or whatever.

[clearspira]

Phase 4 mostly seemed to be the result of streaming development and 10-episode movie making. The shows are all well received for the most part, though I didn’t find them very cohesive except for wandavison and doctor strange.

I am kinda glad that they are taking advantage of streaming and trying a different format that would not be practical otherwise. WandaVision and Loki are basically live action OVAs which probably would not work without the streaming market. It opens some new possibilities they should be taking advantage of for the MCU and Star Wars.

Covid was also still a big cofounding issue that disrupted their plans I believe, but yes it was an appreciable effort imo.

People complained about the 13 episode standard which worked really well for comprehensive movie-caliber narratives and preceded Disney+, which lead to the 10(minus) standard that verges on mini-series scope. Which I'm reminded of every time people stack these narratives up against the movies or whatever.

There is a reason why comics reboot themselves every ten years or so and that's because they become inaccessible to new readers. The MCU has the same problem thanks to streaming. Requiring new viewers to watch thirty movies and several series is bad enough, but requiring them to also take a sub out to Disney Plus? The MCU has a viewership ceiling of its own making.