Star Wars, Highly Illiogical Captain

[The Romulan Republic]

That basically is what happened after Palpatine, died, at least in the old EU- the Empire got torn up between different warlords and factions, and the Rebels picked them off one by one.

[Karha of Honor]

I am fine wih Light Side, Dark Side. How the fuck does killing 2 Sith bring balance? Some special forces dudes can just kill Luke with a bomb. What happens in that case?

Because Vader would get an apprentice and turn on Sidious, then Vader's apprentice would get an apprentice and so on causing more and more chaos without the Jedi to stop them.

So because they are super ninjas they can take over the galaxy instead of just being an annoyance. Does not sound like a bigger problem than a really good pirate gang.

Well a Sith-Sith civil war would be far more destructive than the rebel-imperial civil war. Sith infighting is what eventually brought down the kotor era Sith, but this time there are no Jedi or Republic to clean up the mess, just an endless cycle of war i.e. imbalance.

What's the guarantee a large mass of people will want to paricipate in the civil war of these aholes?

Well, people already have vested interests in the Empire and would care about who rules it, and extra factions resisting both sides would still be a still be part of a civil war.

But force users don't have to be faction leaders. Do they?

[GandALF]

I am fine wih Light Side, Dark Side. How the fuck does killing 2 Sith bring balance? Some special forces dudes can just kill Luke with a bomb. What happens in that case?

Because Vader would get an apprentice and turn on Sidious, then Vader's apprentice would get an apprentice and so on causing more and more chaos without the Jedi to stop them.

So because they are super ninjas they can take over the galaxy instead of just being an annoyance. Does not sound like a bigger problem than a really good pirate gang.

Well a Sith-Sith civil war would be far more destructive than the rebel-imperial civil war. Sith infighting is what eventually brought down the kotor era Sith, but this time there are no Jedi or Republic to clean up the mess, just an endless cycle of war i.e. imbalance.

What's the guarantee a large mass of people will want to paricipate in the civil war of these aholes?

Well, people already have vested interests in the Empire and would care about who rules it, and extra factions resisting both sides would still be a still be part of a civil war.

But force users don't have to be faction leaders. Do they?

No. The point is, as long as there are Sith around they will try to dominate and control and in doing so create more chaos and keep the Force out of balance. Once they're destroyed the Jedi can then go back to keeping the peace and maintaining balance using the light side.

[Karha of Honor]

I am fine wih Light Side, Dark Side. How the fuck does killing 2 Sith bring balance? Some special forces dudes can just kill Luke with a bomb. What happens in that case?

Because Vader would get an apprentice and turn on Sidious, then Vader's apprentice would get an apprentice and so on causing more and more chaos without the Jedi to stop them.

So because they are super ninjas they can take over the galaxy instead of just being an annoyance. Does not sound like a bigger problem than a really good pirate gang.

Well a Sith-Sith civil war would be far more destructive than the rebel-imperial civil war. Sith infighting is what eventually brought down the kotor era Sith, but this time there are no Jedi or Republic to clean up the mess, just an endless cycle of war i.e. imbalance.

What's the guarantee a large mass of people will want to paricipate in the civil war of these aholes?

Well, people already have vested interests in the Empire and would care about who rules it, and extra factions resisting both sides would still be a still be part of a civil war.

But force users don't have to be faction leaders. Do they?

No. The point is, as long as there are Sith around they will try to dominate and control and in doing so create more chaos and keep the Force out of balance. Once they're destroyed the Jedi can then go back to keeping the peace and maintaining balance using the light side.

The Force only flows trough Force users?

[Madner Kami]

The Force flows through everyone and it's sufficiently clear, that the Force guides, if not outright controls people. This has dire implications as for the use of the Dark Side in particular and "evil" people in general. I'm very much with Kreia's opinion on the Force in that regard.

[Dînadan]

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The Force only flows trough Force users?

The Force flows through all living things (depending on your definition of 'alive' as I think it doesn't flow through droids, at least not in the same manner as organics) and guides/manipulates their actions. Jedi and other Force sensitives are able to coax it up their bidding, but in a symbiotic way, working with it. Sith on the other hand work against it forcing it out of its natural shape to do their bidding, thus being an imbalance.

[GandALF]

The Force flows through everyone and it's sufficiently clear, that the Force guides, if not outright controls people. This has dire implications as for the use of the Dark Side in particular and "evil" people in general. I'm very much with Kreia's opinion on the Force in that regard.

Kreia is insane though, she's based on Ravel from Torment. The Force's "control" is like grace or providence it doesn't actually override free will ("In my experience there's no such thing as luck").

If we take into account Lucas' point that the dark side is pleasure and that the Sith are essentially addicts that are ruled by their own desires, then it seems that Kreia is so consumed by a desire for revenge that she's abandoned reason and thinks that ending all life will satisfy her. It fits with the other two: Sion is a corpse held together by bitterness and Nihilus became just a swirling mass of pure desire.

[Mickey_Rat15]

This is all the more egregious because there is a perfect area to introduce C3PO: have him be the Protocol Droid to the Nabu contingent on Coruscant. He'd have about the same amount of screentime since he's barely in the first prequel anyway. And you'd still get the intro and interaction between him and R2D2. That'd even give him a great reason to be in the sequel! Even if Palpatine gets promoted, the droid belongs to the diplomatic mission, so he'd stay there to handle protocol for Almadala (and presumably go with her when she left the capital).

Lucas apparently wanted a overly precious symmetry. The droids were always Luke's, R2 coming from Mom, and Threepio coming from Dad. Though it seems to make more sense that Padme would have and the protocol droid and an astromech droid something a gearhead kid would want to build.

[Madner Kami]

The Force flows through everyone and it's sufficiently clear, that the Force guides, if not outright controls people. This has dire implications as for the use of the Dark Side in particular and "evil" people in general. I'm very much with Kreia's opinion on the Force in that regard.

Kreia is insane though, she's based on Ravel from Torment. The Force's "control" is like grace or providence it doesn't actually override free will ("In my experience there's no such thing as luck").

If we take into account Lucas' point that the dark side is pleasure and that the Sith are essentially addicts that are ruled by their own desires, then it seems that Kreia is so consumed by a desire for revenge that she's abandoned reason and thinks that ending all life will satisfy her. It fits with the other two: Sion is a corpse held together by bitterness and Nihilus became just a swirling mass of pure desire.

As long as the Force is able to influence people, the Force is also responsible for the actions of those people, in good and evil, there is no way around it and Kreia rightfully points out, among other things, that the Force's will to establish balance is what compels people to acts of violence time and again. She may be insane, but that doesn't mean she has no point.

YouTube-link: The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

[GandALF]

The Force flows through everyone and it's sufficiently clear, that the Force guides, if not outright controls people. This has dire implications as for the use of the Dark Side in particular and "evil" people in general. I'm very much with Kreia's opinion on the Force in that regard.

Kreia is insane though, she's based on Ravel from Torment. The Force's "control" is like grace or providence it doesn't actually override free will ("In my experience there's no such thing as luck").

If we take into account Lucas' point that the dark side is pleasure and that the Sith are essentially addicts that are ruled by their own desires, then it seems that Kreia is so consumed by a desire for revenge that she's abandoned reason and thinks that ending all life will satisfy her. It fits with the other two: Sion is a corpse held together by bitterness and Nihilus became just a swirling mass of pure desire.

As long as the Force is able to influence people, the Force is also responsible for the actions of those people, in good and evil, there is no way around it and Kreia rightfully points out, among other things, that the Force's will to establish balance is what compels people to acts of violence time and again. She may be insane, but that doesn't mean she has no point.

YouTube-link: The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

But this is the balance-as-neutral view which contradicts Lucas. If it were that way then on Mortis both the Son and the Daughter would rebel against the Father. Balance is created when the light keeps the dark in check, it's the dark side upending the balance which causes violence.