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Transgender people tended to be evil a lot in 1990s works too. Mrs Doubtfire always stood out to me. Don't get me wrong, walking in on your nanny having a pee like a man would shock you if you weren't expecting it, but the way he responded after always said to me that he assumed Robin William's character was automatically a pervert. I'm fairly certain nowadays Robin could have gotten out of that situation if he was savvy enough as modern kids tend to be rather more accepting of LGBT issues than their parents due to being raised around it.

I think its fair to say that the 1990s were to trans rights what the 2010s are to ''strong female characters''. Film and TV execs want them, but they either don't know how to do them, or they go overboard by making them too far one way or the other. There are exceptions of course.
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Okay, look... this is something very personal for me to admit, but... 19 years ago, when I was still a kid, there was a time I wanted to be a girl. Not permanently, but... tbh, it kind of persists to this day. It's curiosity, I guess, and yeah, there is a sexual component to it, but there's also a legitimate desire to learn, explore, and see things from "the other side," so to speak. My counselor said I was gender-fluid, and I believed her. And if I could easily switch between genders like in Ranma, I'd love it, that'd be my own personal paradise. Of course, it wouldn't change the fact my preference is women, and I don't go through with that surgery for a few reasons. One is money. Two is that I don't know if my insurance pays for that. Second is what Chuck noted, there's no Control Z, and if I'd settled down with a family, I'd prefer as a male with a female. And while there's been a few guys I'd "make an exception" for, ultimately, females are my preference, as I said, and always will be. So I do see a lot of that same potential in Dax, and it's why I love her so much.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:58 am Okay, look... this is something very personal for me to admit, but... 19 years ago, when I was still a kid, there was a time I wanted to be a girl. Not permanently, but... tbh, it kind of persists to this day. It's curiosity, I guess, and yeah, there is a sexual component to it, but there's also a legitimate desire to learn, explore, and see things from "the other side," so to speak. My counselor said I was gender-fluid, and I believed her. And if I could easily switch between genders like in Ranma, I'd love it, that'd be my own personal paradise. Of course, it wouldn't change the fact my preference is women, and I don't go through with that surgery for a few reasons. One is money. Two is that I don't know if my insurance pays for that. Second is what Chuck noted, there's no Control Z, and if I'd settled down with a family, I'd prefer as a male with a female. And while there's been a few guys I'd "make an exception" for, ultimately, females are my preference, as I said, and always will be. So I do see a lot of that same potential in Dax, and it's why I love her so much.
I won't comment too deeply on what you just said out of respect. As you say, that is a damn personal thing you just divulged. My only point I would make is with the Ranma comment: if you could change back at any point, then you will never know what it is really like to be a woman. You would be a part-time woman - a man vacationing as a woman if you will. You would paradoxically still have only second hand knowledge of the trials that women face because real women cannot just run away and hide if something bad happens (the same is also true in reverse of course).
The fact you feel like that is proof that it was wise not to transition. I would say there is definitely more male than female in you.
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I can concede that. I meant physically, more than anything. And yeah, I can concede there's probably more male than female, at least biologically, but I'm still curious and all that. I'm not really a member of the LGBT community, but again, because of that past, I'm sympathetic to their struggles to get noticed and recognition from the mainstream.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:58 am Okay, look... this is something very personal for me to admit, but... 19 years ago, when I was still a kid, there was a time I wanted to be a girl. Not permanently, but... tbh, it kind of persists to this day. It's curiosity, I guess, and yeah, there is a sexual component to it, but there's also a legitimate desire to learn, explore, and see things from "the other side," so to speak. My counselor said I was gender-fluid, and I believed her. And if I could easily switch between genders like in Ranma, I'd love it, that'd be my own personal paradise. Of course, it wouldn't change the fact my preference is women, and I don't go through with that surgery for a few reasons. One is money. Two is that I don't know if my insurance pays for that. Second is what Chuck noted, there's no Control Z, and if I'd settled down with a family, I'd prefer as a male with a female. And while there's been a few guys I'd "make an exception" for, ultimately, females are my preference, as I said, and always will be. So I do see a lot of that same potential in Dax, and it's why I love her so much.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:02 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:58 am Okay, look... this is something very personal for me to admit, but... 19 years ago, when I was still a kid, there was a time I wanted to be a girl. Not permanently, but... tbh, it kind of persists to this day. It's curiosity, I guess, and yeah, there is a sexual component to it, but there's also a legitimate desire to learn, explore, and see things from "the other side," so to speak. My counselor said I was gender-fluid, and I believed her. And if I could easily switch between genders like in Ranma, I'd love it, that'd be my own personal paradise. Of course, it wouldn't change the fact my preference is women, and I don't go through with that surgery for a few reasons. One is money. Two is that I don't know if my insurance pays for that. Second is what Chuck noted, there's no Control Z, and if I'd settled down with a family, I'd prefer as a male with a female. And while there's been a few guys I'd "make an exception" for, ultimately, females are my preference, as I said, and always will be. So I do see a lot of that same potential in Dax, and it's why I love her so much.
Ranma?
He is a manga character that is cursed to turn into a woman whenever he touches cold water and can only return to being male when he touches hot water. This may not sound like much of a curse, but he is an exaggerated dudebro so to him it is a horrible experience. He is also too dumb to carry around a thermos of hot water thereby making the curse a trivial inconvenience in case you are wondering.
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OMG THEY HAVE A VISOR IN STD?! DO THESE IDIOTS NOT CARE?!
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Are people really swallowing this shit just because it has "Star Trek" slapped onto the name and has the superficial look of the old show?
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Remember there are three canons: Original, Prime and Kelvin. STD is Prime and thus it is Prime that has a visor. I have calmed down a lot concerning STD now that I think of it like that.
And no, this is what THEY say, not me. Its due to rights issues that you can see explained on Midnight's Edge among others.
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Why is someone having a visor in the 23rd century breaking canon?
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