The New Scientist proclaims "Star Trek Renassiance"

[Link8909]

It's more an issue of fandoms exhibiting irrational or trite behavior about stuff, namely giving pseudo intellectual objections to *what's out right now*.

Indeed.

Personally I'm fine with people not liking the same things I like, we all have our own personal tastes and preferences, and even as someone who does enjoy both Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Picard, I'm also not blind and recognize they're not perfect and I'm willing to be critical of them.

But I feel that as Madner Kami and BridgeConsoleMasher pointed out, nowadays people take their dislike of something to an unhealthy level, basically going on a hate-filled crusade against these new series, insulting and harassing not only the people who do enjoy them, but the people who work on them as well.

And while Chuck started out his career trashing Star Trek Voyager, he has long moved past that and has covered dozens of different Science Fiction works outside of Voyager and Star Trek itself with varying responses than just negativity, and not just reviews but looking into the background of these works and even historical looks into various topics like the comic industry, and even then he gives credit when credit is due with Star Trek Voyager.

And I do agree with CharlesPhipps, if a series or film really upsets you, then don't expose yourself to it, I personally don't care for Star Trek Enterprise and have varying grievances, so it's been years since I've actually watched it, and even when I did share my opinion on Enterprise with the Archer Bio, I was careful not insult the people who worked on the series.

[Madner Kami]

And I do agree with CharlesPhipps, if a series or film really upsets you, then don't expose yourself to it, [...]

People who are upset about the direction a franchise goes towards, are usually fans of said franchise in the first place. Dismissing their criticism in the way you do, is about as useful as the famed phrase often used against left-wingers in Western Germany: "If you don't like it here, then go to the other side of the border (Eastern Germany)!" I believe a similar phrase was coined in the US, along the lines of "You don't like capitalism? Why don't you emigrate to the USSR?". I hope you can see the problem there. I mean you could easily apply this flawed reasoning to pretty much anything anyone is unhappy with. Let's say: "You don't like "Birth of a Nation?" Well, why are you watching it?"

[Zargon]

nowadays people take their dislike of something to an unhealthy level, basically going on a hate-filled crusade against these new series, insulting and harassing not only the people who do enjoy them, but the people who work on them as well.

Well, I see it more as the "defending fans" are just too thin skinned and take every word as a personal attack on them. They are a fan of Discovery, so if someone says "wow space mushrooms are dumb" they twist that around to the person saying THEY are dumb because they love the idea of space mushrooms.

The "defending fans" will take any comment as a personal attack and an insult and harassing them. Unless someone agrees with them: they are wrong.

[CharlesPhipps]

What I find weird isn't that people hate something to an irrational degree. That happens.

What I find weird is that some people feel like EVERYONE IN THE WORLD must hate it as well. There's people who have gone to elaborate lengths to justify that not only is Star Trek DIscovery a bad show (YMMV) but that all Star Trek fans hate it, that it's on the verge of cancellation, and that it was an enormous failure on every level ranging from artistic to financial.

They actively resist that they're the outliers and criticis instead of the voice of the Unseen MassesTM.

Where does THAT come from?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What I find weird isn't that people hate something to an irrational degree. That happens.

What I find weird is that some people feel like EVERYONE IN THE WORLD must hate it as well. There's people who have gone to elaborate lengths to justify that not only is Star Trek DIscovery a bad show (YMMV) but that all Star Trek fans hate it, that it's on the verge of cancellation, and that it was an enormous failure on every level ranging from artistic to financial.

They actively resist that they're the outliers and criticis instead of the voice of the Unseen MassesTM.

Well yeah. Wouldn't you?

[CharlesPhipps]

Well yeah. Wouldn't you?

I actively resist the idea that I am anything but someone abberant and apart from the crowd.

When did that cease being cool?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Well yeah. Wouldn't you?

I actively resist the idea that I am anything but someone abberant and apart from the crowd.

When did that cease being cool?

Well what about Batman fans and the Snyder movies?

[clearspira]

Well yeah. Wouldn't you?

I actively resist the idea that I am anything but someone abberant and apart from the crowd.

When did that cease being cool?

When it became clear that the majority of the human race is a sheep looking for a shepherd.

[Link8909]

nowadays people take their dislike of something to an unhealthy level, basically going on a hate-filled crusade against these new series, insulting and harassing not only the people who do enjoy them, but the people who work on them as well.

Well, I see it more as the "defending fans" are just too thin skinned and take every word as a personal attack on them. They are a fan of Discovery, so if someone says "wow space mushrooms are dumb" they twist that around to the person saying THEY are dumb because they love the idea of space mushrooms.

The "defending fans" will take any comment as a personal attack and an insult and harassing them. Unless someone agrees with them: they are wrong.

While I can't speak of other people, but I personally can take criticism and even have my own criticisms of not just Discovery and Picard, but Star Trek overall, and what I try to do is articulate those opinions in a calm and constructive manner without going into the stereotypical angry nerd ranting.

I honestly don't try to fight people on their opinions, but I do say if I disagree and try to provide my own point of view, and I wouldn't insult someone for disagreeing.

The quote you have of me here is more about the people on YouTube, Twitter and Reddit, they take their hatred to an unhealthy level and try to drag everyone else into their negative mindset.

[Link8909]

And I do agree with CharlesPhipps, if a series or film really upsets you, then don't expose yourself to it, [...]

People who are upset about the direction a franchise goes towards, are usually fans of said franchise in the first place. Dismissing their criticism in the way you do, is about as useful as the famed phrase often used against left-wingers in Western Germany: "If you don't like it here, then go to the other side of the border (Eastern Germany)!" I believe a similar phrase was coined in the US, along the lines of "You don't like capitalism? Why don't you emigrate to the USSR?". I hope you can see the problem there. I mean you could easily apply this flawed reasoning to pretty much anything anyone is unhappy with. Let's say: "You don't like "Birth of a Nation?" Well, why are you watching it?"

Again, I'm not apposed to criticism, in fact I'm happy people do voice their opinions, and even I have my own criticisms not just with Discovery and Picard, but Star Trek overall, they're not perfect and they're not going to improve if everyone keeps silent.

But what I'd like to see more of is calm and constructive criticisms, that's the kind that people are willing to listen to, not enrage rants about how everything is terrible and the people in-charge should be sacked, it's a case of being right, but wrong at the top of your voice.

And quite frankly the people who I was mostly referring to, those who make click-bait videos on YouTube, spread rumors on Reddit, and harass people on Twitter, really don't seem like the kind of people who care about the direction of the franchise.