Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[Zoinksberg]

Somebody really seems to like the word "purist" to indiscriminately lob at anybody who has even the slightest negative comment about the visual changes made on Discovery.

I would suggest that person change up their attempted insults, they are starting to sound like a purist-purist that just won't be satisfied.

[Actarus]

Somebody really seems to like the word "purist" to indiscriminately lob at anybody who has even the slightest negative comment about the visual changes made on Discovery.

It's not disliking the visual change that makes them purists. It's the "why" they dislike them. Which amounts to "it's-not-exactly-like-TOS-so-it's-garbage." And that's the definition of purist.

I would suggest that person change up their attempted insults, they are starting to sound like a purist-purist that just won't be satisfied.

That doesn't even make any sense.

[clearspira]

Somebody really seems to like the word "purist" to indiscriminately lob at anybody who has even the slightest negative comment about the visual changes made on Discovery.

It's not disliking the visual change that makes them purists. It's the "why" they dislike them. Which amounts to "it's-not-exactly-like-TOS-so-it's-garbage." And that's the definition of purist.

I would suggest that person change up their attempted insults, they are starting to sound like a purist-purist that just won't be satisfied.

That doesn't even make any sense.

The phrase ''purist-purist'' does not work, as in this context ''purist'' means ''perfectionist'', which would make you a perfectionist-perfectionist. However...

Pure.
As in: unmixed.
As in: you are not mixing up your insults.
As in: you are a pure-purist.

This one works. If for some reason we wanted it to anyway.

[Actarus]

Somebody really seems to like the word "purist" to indiscriminately lob at anybody who has even the slightest negative comment about the visual changes made on Discovery.

It's not disliking the visual change that makes them purists. It's the "why" they dislike them. Which amounts to "it's-not-exactly-like-TOS-so-it's-garbage." And that's the definition of purist.

I would suggest that person change up their attempted insults, they are starting to sound like a purist-purist that just won't be satisfied.

That doesn't even make any sense.

The phrase ''purist-purist'' does not work, as in this context ''purist'' means ''perfectionist'', which would make you a perfectionist-perfectionist. However...

Pure.
As in: unmixed.
As in: you are not mixing up your insults.
As in: you are a pure-purist.

This one works. If for some reason we wanted it to anyway.

Oh my...

Purist: countable noun
A purist is a person who wants something to be totally correct or unchanged, especially something they know a lot about. (Collins dictionary)

I wont be changing my "insults" if that's the word that applies. But if it's variety you crave, I will do my best. They are also nit-pickers, dogmatics and fanatics.

[clearspira]

Somebody really seems to like the word "purist" to indiscriminately lob at anybody who has even the slightest negative comment about the visual changes made on Discovery.

It's not disliking the visual change that makes them purists. It's the "why" they dislike them. Which amounts to "it's-not-exactly-like-TOS-so-it's-garbage." And that's the definition of purist.

I would suggest that person change up their attempted insults, they are starting to sound like a purist-purist that just won't be satisfied.

That doesn't even make any sense.

The phrase ''purist-purist'' does not work, as in this context ''purist'' means ''perfectionist'', which would make you a perfectionist-perfectionist. However...

Pure.
As in: unmixed.
As in: you are not mixing up your insults.
As in: you are a pure-purist.

This one works. If for some reason we wanted it to anyway.

Oh my...

Purist: countable noun
A purist is a person who wants something to be totally correct or unchanged, especially something they know a lot about. (Collins dictionary)

I wont be changing my "insults" if that's the word that applies. But if it's variety you crave, I will do my best. They are also nit-pickers, dogmatics and fanatics.

perfectionist
[ per-fek-shuh-nist ]
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SEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR perfectionist ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
a person who adheres to or believes in perfectionism.
a person who demands perfection of himself, herself, or others.
adjective
of, relating to, or distinguished by perfection or perfectionism.
RELATED WORDS
idealist, quibbler, fusspot, purist, formalist, fussbudget


purist
SEE DEFINITION OF purist

as in perfectionist

Synonyms for purist

fusspot
idealist
quibbler
formalist
fussbudget
nit-picker


I was merely explaining what he meant in the context it seemed to me he was using it. I will graciously overlook your rudeness this time.

[Yukaphile]

I mean, again, hold up DS9 as the gold standard. TNG was kind of an exception in that it was a direct sequel TV show, at a time when there weren't several other spin-offs added to the lore. There was only the four movies, and that was all, which were also sequels, branching off along the same timeline. So TNG could afford to start out bad, in the pre-internet dark age, and slowly evolve into something better, and could afford people working on it who just saw it as "a job." Case in point, Michael freaking Pillar. But then DS9 was like the next evolution to that, and by the time near the series ended, a significant portion of the writing staff were fans of TOS. I don't buy those in charge are fans of Trek so much as perhaps a specific spin-off or ideas, and their own interpretation on it, parts of canon they reject (even if it happens to be good, unlike, say, "Sub Rosa"), and probably don't watch and rewatch and rewatch and geek out obsessively about it the way hardcore nerds and fanboys do. Those people were in charge of DS9, and you could feel the passion in what they did. Again, "Trials and Tribble-ations." Ron Moore in fact was not a corporate hack, much like Mark Hamill (one of the few people who hasn't sold out), and he was in it for the artwork and creativity, not the corporatism and profits to be made. That's not how it's being written today, and it really sucks when you're deeply committed hardcore fans the way we are.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Is anybody really fine with how Spock's personality seems more human than any other incarnation, including his origin scenes in '09 Trek?

[Yukaphile]

As Chuck said for Enterprise, writing Vulcans is hard - at least in a way that makes them interesting and true to their roots. I think that kind of nuance is past incompetent modern-day writers with late-stage capitalism and poor education.

[Zoinksberg]

Is anybody really fine with how Spock's personality seems more human than any other incarnation, including his origin scenes in '09 Trek?

To some extent, yes. He did smile and act more human in The Cage than he did in TOS. It would make sense that as a way to help him cope with the loss of and inability to even discuss his sister he would turn more strongly towards Vulcan emotional suppression techniques. If in Discovery we are seeing a more balanced Spock then in TOS we are seeing a Spock who now rarely considers his human heritage outside of his connection to his mother.

Ugh, defending Discovery hurts.

[clearspira]

Is The Cage canon? The Menagerie is canon yes, but that didn't show every scene, and that includes a lot of Spock's emotion.