Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:09 am
It’s really about combating “the white norm” which lumps different white cultures altogether as if they’re the standard, separate from other specific cultures. Hundred years ago Irish weren’t considered part of that norm.
Of course in current year, you now have people claiming various white countries don't have a culture.
No, they are saying there is no white culture. There are certainly different national cultures from European countries, English, Irish, Italian, Polish, etc. that have influence on the US, but there is no unifying white experience. This is equally true of the various Asian cultures in the US, though there is a tendency for Americans to lump them together because of the filling of differences between western and eastern cultures and the long standing history of Orientalism, but with in the communities individual traditions are carried forward. Both of these stand in stark contrast to Black Culture which is the direct result of all national and tribal identity being stripped away by the institution of slavery.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:45 pm
That means nothing. Look how much money Revenge of the Fallen made even though it's objectively a bad movie.
And that has nothing to do with the question being asked, as the question was asked into an explanation for the financial reasons for Hollywood's movie towards diversity implying that TLJ was a financial failure.
I don't think it's the diversity that made it fail, and everyone here knows my feelings on that.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
I'd argue Last Jedi was a failure because it had a bad plot.
That's your opinion. But again, you can't hold up whether or not it's a success because of the amount of money it's made because again, so did Revenge of the Fallen.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:10 am
See what I mean, folks? 8D If at first you don't succeed, redefine success so you were right all along!
WTF is 8D?
I provided some context. This shit fails long term or fails even harder with no long term IP backing it up.
Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:12 am
Funny thing about Star Wars putting an effort to casting more POC is that it’s not actually a SJW thing or leftist tactic, it’s Disney recognizing that when you start implementing more diverse actors it attracts a larger audience and increases its chances at the box office. It took too long for Hollywood to realize this because right wingers like Ike Perlmutter didn’t believe movies like BLACK PANTHER or CAPTAIN AMERICA could make a billion dollars because they literally thought “black and female lead movies don’t make money”. It’s always been a short sighted point of view.
How did that outdated melanin magic work out for TLJ?
Okay tell me more about this Hollywood right wing cabal.
Amazingly well. It made 1.4 billion dollars and domestically represents the lowest first to second movie drop for a Star Wars trilogy by percent.
Why is the PR move to hide Kathleen K from the public?
Also Justin Trudeau about Canada, and Mona Sahlin and other Swedish leaders about Sweden, just off the top of my head. It wouldn't surprise me if there were more examples from Europe or other former Commonwealth countries. I'm not surprised MP brushed it off, though.
Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:59 pm
No, they are saying there is no white culture.
No, I'm speaking of people in specific countries speaking specifically of their own countries not having a culture, as in the examples I cited above.
Though now that you bring it up, I have seen some bourgeois white people try to treat all white people as the same and claim the same thing, as if all those European tribes were all the same and not distinct in any way. I kind of doubt they'd try to claim the same about Native tribes, though I suppose they might be ignorant enough to not realize that there are different tribes.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:29 pm
I don't think it's the diversity that made it fail, and everyone here knows my feelings on that.
No, in and of itself it wasn't what made it fail, and as I said previously, if the politics of the filmmakers not gotten in the way, I doubt anyone would have cared or even much noticed. But as it was made, it's just an example of what was wrong with the movie and how the politics of those making it caused it to suck so much.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:36 am
Well you are asking Marvel Movie Trailers for a trigger warning.
I am asking for honest practices.
Okay, seriously, in what way were the movie trailers dishonest? How did they lie to you or fool you or trick you?
I think the general position is that instead of bringing stuff to the table worth watching they are instead pushing an unfavorable product for a political agenda of becoming a woke brand to sell more tickets.
