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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:07 pm Yeah, gotta say, sometimes this "screaming at the camera" was very irritating and to be honest, I watched the "Star Wars Episode one"-Review of Red Letter Media and closed the video - I think ten minutes after I started it. These clowns are definitely unlikeable, and to think that these people, as well as Doomcock and the other idiots of the so called "fandom menace" actually have watchers makes me loose faith in humanity.
I mean - Cinemasins at least has the counterchannel "cinemawins", which is a bit of an "I'm just a viewer with an opinion" - deal for me, but I agree, sometimes these people need to be mocked, too, in order to show them "hey, it's easy so bitch and moan, eh?"
Indeed, I really like CinemaWins, as not only do they talk about the positives of the films and all the interesting details that are in them, but at the end to give an honest opinion on them, and it is just that, their opinion.

I really don't like when people act like their opinion is the "correct" one, that make you feel bad for liking a piece of media, and will even mock and harass people for that as well as the creators of said media, it's ok to have an opinion, it's another thing to be a prick about it.
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Link8909 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:56 pmI honestly do not care for reviews that are just people yelling at the camera about how something is “ThE wORsT THinG EvARR!!” like those that mass produce click-bait videos, or incredibly cynical reviews like Red Letter Media who just complain about everything they watch, and that they will ignore the positives and even make up problems, or just nit-picky reviews like Cinema Sins that think if you tally up all the “mistakes” trivial or otherwise you can score a works quality on that, and I hate that most will even insult or mock the people who made or were part of the creation of the work to “put them down” as it were, and that they will ignore or remove the context behind something in order to complain about it.
See this paragraph nicely shows, that you do not really have bothered with having a look at Red Letter Media, probably only watching the tounge-in-cheek Plinkett-reviews and neither with CinemaSins, which is actually a piss-take on the everything-sucks-reviews.
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:07 pm Oh, it would be absolutely hilarious to watch them fail at producing their own Trek content, that doesn't deal with bitching and moaning, about how one producer is killing the franchise or killing the childhood of these idiots.
Because, then I'd make my own youtube-channel, put a bucket on my head, probably a hat, too and then I'd make videos like "DOOMCOCK DESTROYS THE FRANCHISE" or "HOW MIDNIGHTS EDGE IS TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT FANS WANT" or "NERDROTIC KILLS MY CHILDHOOD!" or something like that.

Concerning Kurtzman: I concur, that I feel for the guy. Unfortunately, we live in a day and age, where everyone with a computer and an internet-connection can yell at the internet, how shitty content is.


CharlesPhipps wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:20 am I doubt Kurtzman cares because the irony of all the DISCO haters is that they seem to still be hate-watching it.

Which means that CBS gets what they want from them anyway. The hate on Discovery is free advertising because people don't avoid it, they still go and watch it. Like all the shade thrown at THE LAST OF US 2 just compelled its sales to skyrocket.

No such thing as bad publicity.
That's true, Charles, and that is absolutely hilarious, too.
Couple of months ago, I said:
I mean, the Blockbuster Buster did the same thing concerning the DCEU - he said: "I'll never talk about it, again."

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7TIeAws2k[/url]
And if these Deppen (idiots) hate Discovery that much, then there is a simple solution: "Don't watch it!"
I mean, if Nerdrotic is correct about Doctor Who's ratings dropping, then the British do it right. They don't like the show - great, they watch something different. But not the smart guys, that hate on Discovery - nooo, they watch it and later, on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, they cry about how bad the show would be.
Well, stop watching it, you frakking dingbats.
It's not as if Kurtzman would be standing behind them, Burnham pointing a Phaser at them and Xena threatening to throw her Chakram - yeah, Kurtzman and Orci are involved in the Xena-Franchise - so no one is forcing them to watch it.
Absolutely, and this has been my own mentality, if I don't like something I don't go out of my way to watch it, you won't hear me complaining about Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) or Cats because I've never seen them and don't plan to, and even if I didn't like something that I watched like Star Trek Enterprise, I'll say my piece when it's a topic of discussion, but not all the time at nauseum.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:58 pm See this paragraph nicely shows, that you do not really have bothered with having a look at Red Letter Media, probably only watching the tounge-in-cheek Plinkett-reviews and neither with CinemaSins, which is actually a piss-take on the everything-sucks-reviews.
You are right that I haven't really watch their other material like Half in a Bag, but that's because I'm not that interested in doing so, I tried to watch some and I just had to turn I off after just a few minutes, I actually stop actively following their stuff after their Star Trek (2009) short, that was just disgusting.

But if you or anyone else got something from them, then that's good, and I do mean that, but I'm personally not interested on what they have to say now.
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You brought them up and mischaracterized both on top of it and now you discard a criticism of that by saying you are not interested in them...
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I generally don't really agree with them personally about Star Trek. They are both a bit nostalgic, and I feel like I can make sense of the things they say don't make sense any more.

They approach it like regular people though and are not that grandiose about their opinions. I'll hear what they have to say most any of the time.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:58 pm
Link8909 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:56 pmI honestly do not care for reviews that are just people yelling at the camera about how something is “ThE wORsT THinG EvARR!!” like those that mass produce click-bait videos, or incredibly cynical reviews like Red Letter Media who just complain about everything they watch, and that they will ignore the positives and even make up problems, or just nit-picky reviews like Cinema Sins that think if you tally up all the “mistakes” trivial or otherwise you can score a works quality on that, and I hate that most will even insult or mock the people who made or were part of the creation of the work to “put them down” as it were, and that they will ignore or remove the context behind something in order to complain about it.
See this paragraph nicely shows, that you do not really have bothered with having a look at Red Letter Media, probably only watching the tounge-in-cheek Plinkett-reviews and neither with CinemaSins, which is actually a piss-take on the everything-sucks-reviews.
And where would be the sense in having a look at these RLM-Clowns, when literally the first video I watched was something so annoyingly bad, that I had to turn it off?
Concerning Cinema Sins - I watch them, they're quite cool, but I get, how people might get annoyed with that, too.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:34 pm You brought them up and mischaracterized both on top of it and now you discard a criticism of that by saying you are not interested in them...
Link is following their own "If you don't like it, don't watch it" advice. What's wrong with that?
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:34 pm You brought them up and mischaracterized both on top of it and now you discard a criticism of that by saying you are not interested in them...
CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am And where would be the sense in having a look at these RLM-Clowns, when literally the first video I watched was something so annoyingly bad, that I had to turn it off?
Concerning Cinema Sins - I watch them, they're quite cool, but I get, how people might get annoyed with that, too.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:40 am Link is following their own "If you don't like it, don't watch it" advice. What's wrong with that?
Exactly, and I'm not going to discourage anyone who does like watching Red Letter Media or agrees with their opinions either, same with Cinema Sins.
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Not liking them or not watching them is one thing. It is quite another to pretend that they are something and condemn them for it, which they are not, just because the only thing you watched is in a format you dislike. You're making the exact same mistake that Shatner was making.
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