Re: The term "Mary Sue" needs to die.
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:41 pm
Reality has an effect on action movies.Admiral X wrote: What does muscle mass or any of that have to do with how characters are written?
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Reality has an effect on action movies.Admiral X wrote: What does muscle mass or any of that have to do with how characters are written?
Any globally prominent movies of ISIS members fighting the good fight? Rapists as heroes of action movies? Do the newest IRL weapons gain prominence? Action movies do interact with the real world.Admiral X wrote:Not that much - it's part of what makes them action movies.
I'm confused, are you saying no Action Heroes are Rapists? Because James Bond.Agent Vinod wrote:Any globally prominent movies of ISIS members fighting the good fight? Rapists as heroes of action movies? Do the newest IRL weapons gain prominence? Action movies do interact with the real world.Admiral X wrote:Not that much - it's part of what makes them action movies.
Of course not.MithrandirOlorin wrote:I'm confused, are you saying no Action Heroes are Rapists? Because James Bond.Agent Vinod wrote:Any globally prominent movies of ISIS members fighting the good fight? Rapists as heroes of action movies? Do the newest IRL weapons gain prominence? Action movies do interact with the real world.Admiral X wrote:Not that much - it's part of what makes them action movies.
I uh, think you may have made a typo there. o.0Agent Vinod wrote:Wasn't that one gal a giant anomaly?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:Demonstrably false. You know the REAL reason sports are sex-segregated? One gal got too good at baseball, and everyone was afraid about the sociological fallout of a GIRL being BETTER at SPORTS.Agent Vinod wrote:Here is the deal, real life gunfights, gang brawls and fist fights are sexist because of nature/evolution. Women can carry less weight, get dominated in pro sports when faced with the best male athletes etc... I like me some fictional Amazon ass kicking but when survival mode kicks in it's understandable why the male perspective would be dominant.Jason Hallett wrote:In the hopes of saving a worthwhile topic of discussion from being smothered by a single argument, I'll give my opinion without any mention of the Star Wars franchise.
I hew a lot closer to Seanan MacGuire's view than any of its critics I've seen in this thread so far -- the double standards that apply to women in fiction are obvious to all but the wilfully blind, and mirror sexist behaviours in real life. Expertise is questioned baselessly; tragedies that, in men's backstories, evoke empathy invite belittlement when women suffer them; excellence is met with loud disbelief.
I kind of feel sorry for people who can't accept these things. For those familiar with the Stormlight Archive, imagine reading of Shallan Davar's heartbreaking losses (of both loved ones and her own innocence) and refusal to break, her determination to continue spreading hope to all she meets, bringing out their best selves on her quest to learn everything there is to know and also save the world -- and concluding that all that is some bullshit cause how could that kid possibly do all that, huh? That's just sad, isn't it?
Even in fights to the death, muscle mass isn't the only consideration. We have to factor in pain threshold, endurance, flexibility, agility, etc.
How many women sitting in prison right now vs how many women?
Lot's of people. People need to kill this argument. Lot's of people are sexually attracted to cars. Does not mean anything.MithrandirOlorin wrote:Rey has brought new viewers to Star Wars, lots of people have talked about TFA being the first Star Wars film they really enjoyed.
So no, you can't call it a miscalculation.