Star Wars: The Last Jedi [SPOILERS]

[ORCACommander]

Snoke was almost too wound up in an erotic satisfaction of reading kylos intentions and was convinced he was pacified enough to not attempt to assault him again. The snoke ren relation is a complete subversion of typical plot structure, snoke as it has turned out was never meant to be the big bad evil guy who's defeat is supposed to be the ultimate victory of the heroes, it turns out that title is going to fall on to ren

i think the pacing problem i had with it the first time around had moreto do with an 11 oclock screening time after a full day's work than the casino sub plot. the problem with the casino plot was that maybe it was a bit to topical.

I agree that the cruiser sections are probly the weakest part of the film, after they initially get out of the engagement envelope all the tension dies. it also makes me grind my together that if they can get accurate with 2 or 3 batteries then they should be able to bombard the cruiser with all them and keep inflicting damage.

Lightspeed ramming is not that difficult to think of as an act of desperation rather than a proper plan. holdo probly had to override numerous fail safes and pilot the cruiser in manual to. and here is the the thing about space, with the distances involved be off by so much as a degree and you will miss your target entirely.
Fun fact in the legacy eu a planet was rendered uninhabitable because republic cruiser collided with it at lightspeed

As for leia force flying, remeber in return of the jedi luke said leia had the force with her. if there was ever a first pupil of luke, it would of been leia. but leia's personal identity was never tied to the force so she probly never really used it outside of of those basic lessons


Remember this movies over all themes, Kill your gods and may your idols be dragged into ruin and the best of intentions can not secure you against failure.

[cilantro]

So this has been bothering me ever since I have seen TLJ (and I still am going to wait a bit longer to drop my assessment on the movie. Only because I just don't want to jump on what I initially felt- which is best describe as "eh, it was OK. Not good nor bad" as of now) and I really don't have very strong feelings towards it. Personally, I didn't like the stupid stuff- like all the humor that was added into the movie, the porgs, nor really the casino part as well. Overall, it felt like Disney was really pandering to the kids in those parts.

Although, what I hated was the Poe vs. Admiral Holdo. I though that was the most stupidest part of the whole movie. Not really the actual plot but how it played out in the movie. And speaking about Admiral Holdo was that I was just bothered by the actress. I realized that she was a really familiar face and I knew I saw the actress from somewhere else. Like I knew that I saw her face from somewhere else but I couldn't (in my mind) point out and say, "oh, that is so and so from ______". So today I went to Wikipedia and found out that Admiral Holdo was played by Lauren Dern from Jurassic Park 1 & 3:

[MithrandirOlorin]

https://headcanon.org/podcast/010

They talk about a lot, including the Holdo should have told Poe criticism.

[GandALF]

YES! They got balance right! I was worried they would go with some SWTORy moral relativism. I also like how it has Lucas-esque rhyming rather than repetition like TFA: Rey's parentage is revealed, but its that they're unimportant that is the twist.

Why is this divisive? Is it because they picked up the thread from the prequels and clone wars about Yoda being the first to notice that Sidious was using Jedi complacency to ensnare them? It's been ten years dammit let it go! This one doesn't even have the clunky dialogue!

Is it because Luke is portrayed as flawed? I can understand how that would upset someone if they had never paid attention to anything ever.

Is it because they killed off Admiral Ackbar? Look, I'm sad too, but he died doing what he loved and on the actual bridge unlike Kirk.

Well I'm pleased with it, probably more of what I expected TFA to be like. Although now I'm even more disappointed that Abrams is directing IX.

[Karha of Honor]

YES! They got balance right! I was worried they would go with some SWTORy moral relativism. I also like how it has Lucas-esque rhyming .

Why is that good thing?

Poems do not get made into movies for a reason.

[GandALF]

YES! They got balance right! I was worried they would go with some SWTORy moral relativism. I also like how it has Lucas-esque rhyming .

Why is that good thing?

Poems do not get made into movies for a reason.

You know what I mean!

And lots of prose has literal rhyming and it gets made into movies all the time.

[Karha of Honor]

YES! They got balance right! I was worried they would go with some SWTORy moral relativism. I also like how it has Lucas-esque rhyming .

Why is that good thing?

Poems do not get made into movies for a reason.

You know what I mean!

And lots of prose has literal rhyming and it gets made into movies all the time.

I still dislike the idea.

[SabreMau]

It occurs to me to wonder if they were unwilling to have a story in which the Empire/Order was a foe on equal or lesser military footing than the Republic/Resistance. In TFA, you could still picture that the New Republic had eventually taken over all the Imperial systems and the First Order was just a minor splinter faction that was limited to specific territories, like the EU's Imperial Remnant, and managed to get off one big preemptive Pearl Harbor shot to the Republic's headquarters via Starkiller, but now TLJ explains that the First Order was so much bigger than whatever remained of the Republic that they're mere weeks away from becoming the Empire again in all but name, running the galaxy unchallenged aside from whoever managed to survive and fit on board one single freighter.

We could have had a more major star war in these Star Wars, with fleets vs. fleets, but maybe they were too used to the OT idea that the good guys had to be this desperately outnumbered group clinging to faint hope, and the bad guys had to be this unstoppable juggernaut of infinite resources. Or maybe they were worried about reminding people of Republic Clones vs. Trade Federation again.

[Karha of Honor]

It occurs to me to wonder if they were unwilling to have a story in which the Empire/Order was a foe on equal or lesser military footing than the Republic/Resistance. In TFA, you could still picture that the New Republic had eventually taken over all the Imperial systems and the First Order was just a minor splinter faction that was limited to specific territories, like the EU's Imperial Remnant, and managed to get off one big preemptive Pearl Harbor shot to the Republic's headquarters via Starkiller, but now TLJ explains that the First Order was so much bigger than whatever remained of the Republic that they're mere weeks away from becoming the Empire again in all but name, running the galaxy unchallenged aside from whoever managed to survive and fit on board one single freighter.

We could have had a more major star war in these Star Wars, with fleets vs. fleets, but maybe they were too used to the OT idea that the good guys had to be this desperately outnumbered group clinging to faint hope, and the bad guys had to be this unstoppable juggernaut of infinite resources. Or maybe they were worried about reminding people of Republic Clones vs. Trade Federation again.

And now they get it that it was bad idea and the new trilogy will have jack to do with anyhing. Fucking great.

[GandALF]

Remember this movies over all themes, Kill your gods and may your idols be dragged into ruin and the best of intentions can not secure you against failure.

Seemed to be more about not giving up in the face of failure.

I suppose the Yoda scene only makes complete sense in retrospect when you see at the end that Rey had already taken the Jedi texts with her on the Falcon which means that Yoda destroyed an empty temple, that's why he was berating Luke for not paying attention.

Luke thought that he failed to stop Snoke and Ben's fall because he tried to be like the old Jedi (i.e. Yoda and Obi-Wan) who failed to stop the Sith and Anakin's fall, but he overlooked the fact that they continued on and succeeded in training Luke (Yoda even has a similar initial reluctance in ESB). So even though Luke failed Ben that doesn't mean he will fail with Rey, hence his switch from "the Jedi were crap and I'm crap" to "I will not be the last Jedi".

It might be a response to the mary sue criticism of TFA by reinforcing the theme that the heroes are heroes because they don't give up, not because they're infallible.