Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

It’s almost as if the TRANSFORMERS films were primarily aimed at children...

Yeah, because nothing screams "for the kids" like a PG13 rating

[MissKittyFantastico]

I mean, if we're being honest they're for Michael Bay, the Venn diagram just has a ton of overlap with 'juvenile'.

[Makeshift Python]

It’s almost as if the TRANSFORMERS films were primarily aimed at children...

Yeah, because nothing screams "for the kids" like a PG13 rating

Most movies are these days. For example: every MCU film.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Bayformers was made to appeal to adult nostalgia,not to children.

[Yukaphile]

It just reinforces what I keep saying elsewhere. Bay, Orci, and Kurtzman are Hollywood poison. And Bay's only good movie was The Rock.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Bayformers was made to appeal to adult nostalgia,not to children.

I'm not so sure about that. Marketed to adult nostalgia, sure, but from all I've read Team Bay's attitude towards the original property was indifference at best, if not outright derision. They certainly never shied away from crowbarring in whatever ideas Bay thought were cool, no matter how poor a fit they were for G1. The difference between them and Bumblebee, which I felt did appear very strongly to G1 nostalgia (in addition to having a solid story in its own right), is night and day.

And Bay's only good movie was The Rock.

I'm not claiming it's a better quality film by any means, but I find Armageddon very enjoyable - it's kind of that magic moment when circumstances made Michael Bay Doing Michael Bay Stuff exactly the right play. It's the cinematic equivalent of fast food, but it's a damn fine hamburger.

[Yukaphile]

Well, I haven't seen that in forever, and I know the science is bad, but... tbh, is there any juvenile stuff there like there is in Transformers? If so, I might just have to bump it up. Because Chuck did praise it by saying they caught a science error there that they missed over on Enterprise.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Well, I haven't seen that in forever, and I know the science is bad, but... tbh, is there any juvenile stuff there like there is in Transformers?

At no point does a robot pee on anyone, so there's that. It's not a highbrow film but for what it's worth I never had that "Oh FFS did we need to do that?" feeling that I got from Transformers 1-3 every time they did something Bay presumably thought was hilarious. (I haven't watched 4 or 5 - which says it all for the Bay series really, I did not watch a Transformers film. That's like Quark seeing a dropped slip of latinum on the floor and not bothering to pick it up.)

[Yukaphile]

Or Kurtzman or Orci. You never know.

[Makeshift Python]

As far as Michael Bay films go, THE ROCK is his best but I actually prefer BAD BOYS II where it's, for better or worse, the most Bay-sey film he ever made. The only thing I can knock on that movie is its long running time, but Michael Bay movies post-THE ROCK have all had the same issue of running much longer than they were justified to be. Like there's simply no fucking reason a Transformers movie needs to be two and a half hours fucking long.