Will The Disney Star War Sequel Trilogy Stand the Test of Time

[Yukaphile]

Here's another way the new canon fails. No Mara Jade. They recently put Thrawn into one of the EU books, even though Thrawn was in Rebels, so that doesn't count, and apparently this was "much-hyped," but when fans began asking about Mara, I think Chuck Wendig said rather exasperatedly, "You got Thrawn!" God, they are just so disconnected from what the fans want. Just fucking make Legends canon again, you dicks.

[Karha of Honor]

Here's another way the new canon fails. No Mara Jade. They recently put Thrawn into one of the EU books, even though Thrawn was in Rebels, so that doesn't count, and apparently this was "much-hyped," but when fans began asking about Mara, I think Chuck Wendig said rather exasperatedly, "You got Thrawn!" God, they are just so disconnected from what the fans want. Just fucking make Legends canon again, you dicks.

I prefer Legends but where do you get the idea that there is this huge fandom out there wanting it back/

[Jonathan101]

The more time passes, the less people will want Legends back, if only because it will be harder and harder to fit it into whatever new canon they establish.

Whether those people will be happy with the new canon is a different matter of course. As it happens, it seems even Rian Johnson doesn't care about it, since by nonchalantly killing off Snoke he basically ignored the backstory the new EU writers were trying to craft or at least hint as for him (including Wendig).

[Karha of Honor]

The more time passes, the less people will want Legends back, if only because it will be harder and harder to fit it into whatever new canon they establish.

I think nostalgia for the Time when Kotor came out must be at it's peak. It was a happy and innocent age regardless if the EU woudl fit into the new canon or not.

[Yukaphile]

Calling Legends non-canon means they don't work on it anymore, or that any attempts to do so in the future is off the table. How kickass would it be to see the Yuuzhan Vong War in an animated TV show like Clone Wars or Rebels is? Alas, that will never come true, because it's those assholes' desire to just seek out talent and squeeze all possible life out of it. They're like Rick Berman. At least some of the old authors are being respectful. Timothy Zahn compared it to putting Legends on "ice" in waiting to have its stories told again, but I don't trust those idiots to ever do that. At this point, Legends pretty much includes everything made from 1977 to 2014 except the six movies, which are canon, but also Legends material. I'm assuming stuff like the old novelizations are part of Legends and would fit into the "non-canon" camp. That's almost 40 years of world-building they don't wanna take the time to look through in order to continue, because most official big-blockbuster content creators in Hollywood these days are super lazy and just want the most money from the least amount of effort. Even though there's only 200 books in the Legends line (I own them all) and 25,000 pages of comics, which hey, is nowhere near what DC and Marvel have in their long history, and could accumulate in 40 years. Basically, their attempts to paint the new canon as more respected and official and tighter than the old is bullshit because they're pumping it out faster, as soon it will match the number of books and comic pages Legends had in just a few short years, and it's going to become as much of a mess. And yet you will still get people who hope and dream to have Legends made canon someday. Unless Disney crashes or something, Star Wars will never enter the public domain, and perhaps it should, since it belongs to the fans, not greedy, money-grubbing corporations.

[Winter]

The more time passes, the less people will want Legends back, if only because it will be harder and harder to fit it into whatever new canon they establish.

Whether those people will be happy with the new canon is a different matter of course. As it happens, it seems even Rian Johnson doesn't care about it, since by nonchalantly killing off Snoke he basically ignored the backstory the new EU writers were trying to craft or at least hint as for him (including Wendig).

I don't think that will be the case at all for a one reasons DC Rebirth. For those of you who don't know, in 2011 DC decided to completely reboot the DC Universe and I mean a completely reboot. All the history, all the lore, world building and relationships (antagonistic, platonic and romantic) that had been built up since Crisis on Infinite Earths was got and it wasn't coming back.

And for 5 years, that remained the case as DC stuck to their guns and kept insisting that the Old DC was gone and things were going to be super dark and "Adult" (aka more Juvenal) from here on out with the series apparently taking inspiration from the Worst Elements of the 90's. But as is often the case, this, "Screw You Fans Your Opinion Means Nothing to Us!" phrase didn't really do anything to help the company or the series and the sales began to drop and soon enough DC was trying to win fans back with number of nods to the Pre-New 52 timeline.

This helped, sometimes as there was still the general sense of Take That Fans (aka the people who pay us) was still in effect. Sometimes fans were won over by the return of old favorites even if they were a little different but more often then not those old favorites would be turned into bad jokes, be made evil for no apparent reason or were the character in name only.

Sure the INO ones weren'y always bad, N52 Wally West did get a big fan base and was clearly popular enough to stick around in Rebirth but others characters like Lilith were seen as slaps in the face to fans of those characters. You also had characters like Starfire who was so despised because she wasn't anything like her old self that DC actually had to retcon every story she was in because the backlash was so great that sales for several comics, even ones that Kori wasn't in, dropped.

And one of the reasons DC had wanted to do the Reboot, many at the company felt the Universe had gotten to complicated and wanted to simplify things. This would be fine... except that DC kept treating parts of this continuity as canon with no one knowing which parts WERE still canon and several writers who were fans of the old continuity kept dropping references to their favorite story from that time (or ones they had worked on for several years and refused to let go of plot points they had been building up for a few years). Or they kept taking inspiration from that era with a number of lore/world building elements that were created in that era.

This ended up making things more complicated and harder to follow then what we had gotten in the Pre-N52 timeline as that continuity had decades of world building and lore behind it while N52 was suppose to be starting fresh.

Add to that a number of stories that were seen as So Okay it's Average, Good but not as Good as What I Loved before, or Just Straight up Bad. Mixed with the overly complicated continuity that DC was trying to avoid and it's no wonder that it was decided to just hit the reset button and give fans what they had been asking for since the start of N52, the Pre-N52 Universe.

It all started with a series of small stories that was made to tie into it's big crossover event, Convergence via tie-in issues that, along with the event itself, was basically a Love Letter to everything Pre-N52. And while the big event itself was just seen as okay the tie-ins were HUGE hits with fans with many stores being sold out of said tie-ins with them actually outselling the Big Crossover event itself.

And though no one realize it this was the Beginning of the End for the New 52 as this led to the return of the Pre-N52 Superman and Lois Lane with their son Jon. The re-formation of the Original Titans along with the return of the real Lilith and hinting at the return of the Original Wally West and the N52 Superman actually acting like Superman before his eventual death.

Convergence was ultimately the catalyst for reigniting everyone's passion for the Old DC Universe and I mean everyone. Fans and Creators were exited to see and tell new stories with the Old Characters and this created a sense of good will between the two sides which is something that was desperately needed at this point.

And that's what Will happen at some point in Star Wars as this sort of thing always happens with Rebooted continuities which is what the Disney Era is in the End, a Reboot of the Original EU. Someone, at some point will always suggest going back to that Universe and insist that they give it all the love and attention it deserves for no other reason then to give that continuity the grand finale it deserves as it just sort of ended without any real closure. And is so often the case, this story Will reminded everyone why they love this continuity and will make it clear what the new continuity is missing.

Even many defenders will come to see this as well as while they never saw that continuity they will come to see what fans of the old saw and will want more of that. The reason I am so sure of this is that this ALWAYS HAPPENS so it's not a question of If but When. It took DC 6 years to get to that point and there are already signs that Disney might be doing the same at some point in the near future with the return of Clone Wars, George Lucas himself apparently becoming more involved in the series (with him even directing a scene in Solo) and rumors that Disney may be revisiting the Original EU.

Again, I know this will happen just like it did with DC, there's always a reboot and there's always a return to the original continuity. Always, Always, Always.

[Yukaphile]

As far as I'm concerned, they really shouldn't have taken that approach with Legends at all, so if it comes back, I still won't support them. As you said, it's disrespectful to the fans, and we have too many reboots to make up for a lack of creative artists today, who wanna be visually interesting rather than write clever plots. I in some ways hope they don't revisit it. Yes, what they did was pure sodomy to those who poured their hearts out over four decades, but... at the same time, Legends has a solid conclusion now, it's a small but heartfelt universe, that we can still enjoy, even if it was sacrificed for corporate greed. And given the new writers like Chuck Wendig and his patronizing attitude, I'm fairly confident they'd shit all over any attempts to add new lore to Legends. But if they were going to truly eject Legends, they shouldn't include any old material from Legends at ALL. Make it a fresh reboot, not... this. Thrawn is now part of the new EU and Legends. I'd prefer if he was Legends-only. It's... that lack of creativity I was talking about. They wanna ride both their bets, throw in nice little easter eggs to Legends fans, but at the same time, they also wanna do their own new thing that makes them big bucks. It's a horrible approach. I really wish Star Wars was in the public domain, given how large and mainstream it is, that it belongs to the public at large, but noooooooo. We'll let a tiny handful of out of touch CEOs decide where the future of this product goes. Bleargh.

[Winter]

If that is what you feel more power to you but I do think things will get better because they always do get better. My thought is the Old EU returns and they give it the effort it deserves I will give it a shot and see what I think of it. Not saying that the first attempt to return to this universe Will be great just that at some point we will find that magic number again. It will happen and it will get better.

And like the New 52 and DC Rebirth it will get better and that passion that created such memorable stories will come back. Sooner or later it always comes back. Something that had such passion and hard work put into won't stay down forever. Be it series like Star Wars or a character like Sam Nishimura from Tomb Raider, that will always return and more often then not it will be as good as you remember.

[clearspira]

Said it before and i'll say it again: most Star Wars fans were fans of the films only. Most Star Wars could not tell you a damn thing about the EU. Most fans could not care less if the EU comes back. And that is why Disney felt as if they could get rid of it without massive fan backlash. The only fans that miss it are the sorts of people who go to message boards such as this where you will find a diverse crowd.

[Yukaphile]

Look, it's about the passion, as you said. And these are not artists and writers. They're cogs in the machine, trying to make as much money as possible. They're soulless robots trying to steal a few extra dollars.

If that's the case, they should have kept Legends around, kept working on it, and just done a whole new film franchise, but they didn't. They canned it, because they were so confident in their "this is going to be massively popular, let's just bank on it" strategy that they wanted a new EU for newcomers and kids to absorb. One of the reasons Last Jedi is so hated... well, World of Geekdom confirmed that it actually massively contradicted something in the new EU. It's a ruthless business strategy designed to maximize profits and shat on 40 years of world-building that can never be undone. And you're not talking "most Star Wars fans" because "most Star Wars fans..." you're talking about the mainstream. Real Star Wars fans are those who geek out and check out the extended material past the movies. Those would just be normal filmgoing crowds. Hardly what I'd call a "fandom."