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I gotta confess something, I'm feeling immensely frustrated and personally betrayed, as a fan, over what the so-called "creative" forces are doing to the Star Trek name, most especially with Star Trek: Discovery, and at this point I hate it so much that I just want it to fail, crash and burn as flaming wreckage. I mean, I really want them to do something insanely stupid at this point, like have the Borg show up a century before their first encounter, so that they end broken and disgraced with no credibility at all. Star Trek is supposed to be "the smart science-fiction show," as SF Debris said, and Trek lately is running into all the problems of modern "entertainment" - it's too adverse to taking chances, and it's catering to nostalgia while failing to understand what made the classics so great.

I mean, massive continuity gaps, overpowered tech issues, unlikable, hateful characters, and lazy writing with no intelligence in the storytelling? If this is what Trek is becoming, I'd rather it die with quiet dignity. To me, the best Trek episodes weren't even about action or about the visuals. It was the characters, and the effect the plot of the week had on them. And I'm just so furious that Trek is being treated this way. Sometimes I even feel as if Enterprise, yes, FUCKING ENTERPRISE is superior to STD, because at least it did something new with the Andorians. Give it that. Trek deserves better. It needs substance, and modern Trek doesn't have that because the paradigm of Hollywood and how it makes movies and TV shows has shifted. Just... WHEN WILL STD DIE ALREADY? Hasn't there been enough damage done to Star Trek? Is it right to feel this way?

Yes, it's just a TV show. Calm down.

TNG was also seen as a grand betrayal when it first started.

TNG was a continuation of TOS and the TOS movies, and there were no prior Trek outings, so at least it started out more original.

You got books to fall back to, relax and treat it like soem EU fans treat the Vong invasion. Ignore it.

Trek is good franchise in terms of the quantity of content.

That's not a good example, lol, since I'm quite dissatisfied with Disney and Lucasfilm's approach to Star Wars as well as Trek. They don't go far enough to commit to either direction. They throw in these little Legends references into the new, so-called "respectable" canon that don't amount to much more than easter eggs, so they're still tying themselves to Legends to some degree to appease the old Legends fanboys, and yet if that's the case, why not make ALL of Legends a separate but "still canon" continuity instead of shoving it off into a vague, undefined no-man's limbo of canon status? Decades of world-building, and they act like tyrants deciding what "the best elements" of Legends are to cherry-pick and add to the new EU, which is getting trashed by the new movies, as far as I can tell. It's just completely disregarding the creativity and imagination of other people. I mean, if they wanted to do something new, don't include Legends at all. Otherwise, you're just gonna piss off the hardcore fans like me.

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:42 pm That's not a good example, lol, since I'm quite dissatisfied with Disney and Lucasfilm's approach to Star Wars as well as Trek. They don't go far enough to commit to either direction. They throw in these little Legends references into the new, so-called "respectable" canon that don't amount to much more than easter eggs, so they're still tying themselves to Legends to some degree to appease the old Legends fanboys, and yet if that's the case, why not make ALL of Legends a separate but "still canon" continuity instead of shoving it off into a vague, undefined no-man's limbo of canon status? Decades of world-building, and they act like tyrants deciding what "the best elements" of Legends are to cherry-pick and add to the new EU, which is getting trashed by the new movies, as far as I can tell. It's just completely disregarding the creativity and imagination of other people. I mean, if they wanted to do something new, don't include Legends at all. Otherwise, you're just gonna piss off the hardcore fans like me.

Because it ended, if you're such a hardcore fan why haven't you read the last issue of Legacy?

Because they're still throwing in Legends easter eggs into "the new canon." Why not make ALL of Legends canon or just keep it away from the new canon?

I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I understand the feeling. I feel the same way, especially now that that hack Kurtzman is in charge on a day to day basis.

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:42 pm That's not a good example, lol, since I'm quite dissatisfied with Disney and Lucasfilm's approach to Star Wars as well as Trek. They don't go far enough to commit to either direction. They throw in these little Legends references into the new, so-called "respectable" canon that don't amount to much more than easter eggs, so they're still tying themselves to Legends to some degree to appease the old Legends fanboys, and yet if that's the case, why not make ALL of Legends a separate but "still canon" continuity instead of shoving it off into a vague, undefined no-man's limbo of canon status? Decades of world-building, and they act like tyrants deciding what "the best elements" of Legends are to cherry-pick and add to the new EU, which is getting trashed by the new movies, as far as I can tell. It's just completely disregarding the creativity and imagination of other people. I mean, if they wanted to do something new, don't include Legends at all. Otherwise, you're just gonna piss off the hardcore fans like me.

Like bringing Thrawn into Rebels?

Because they're still throwing in Legends easter eggs into "the new canon." Why not make ALL of Legends canon or just keep it away from the new canon?

In Arthurian legend, Sir Galahad was far from an original character, not being introduced until the Vulgate Cycle in the 13th Century. If someone in the modern day wants to write their own King Arthur story, and they want to include the character of Galahad, does that mean they have to treat the entire Vulgate Cycle as canon just for that one character?