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I was just rewatching Voyager's Message in a Bottle and I remembered an idea I had for a fight that I wish we had gotten in DS9, the Borg vs. The Dominion. The reason MIAB made me think of it is because it is, if I'm correct, the only time the Dominion war is ever mentioned on Voyager and then it's never brought up again and I always thought it would be interesting/awesome if during a encounter with the Borg that they had downloaded info on the war.

After this Janeway wonders if she and her crew have made things worse for the people back home and then later on DS9 we get a three part episode that deals with the fall out of the Borg learning about the Dominion, their tech and most importantly the Wormhole. New advance tech and a stable wormhole ripe for the picking along with a chance to hit one of their worst enemies that have beaten them twice when their week? I don't think they could resist such bait, it would be truly futile for them.

But seriously this would be like the Daleks vs. the Cybermen, with two of the Alpha Quadrant's greatest enemies going at one another with our heroes caught in the middle. And on the side of the characters you have Sisko finally facing the monster who took his wife while also going up against the enemy that threatens to take everything else he loves from him.

Not to mention the Dominions reaction to facing a enemy that they can't use their usual mind games on forcing them to while the Borg finds the Dominion to be slightly more annoying then the Federation given just how deadly their super solders are. Also it would be hilarious to see Weyoun try to negotiate with the Collective only for them to turn him into a Locutus much to Sanders' annoyance as not only has she lost another Weyoun but now he is talking back to her and telling her that the Dominion will be crushed before the might of the Borg. And just add to this our heroes see this and at least one of them can't help but smile at Sanders reaction.

With the right scripts and direction this sort of story could be a classic for the series which is why I'm so disappointed that we never got anything like it in the show itself.

I dunno, it sounds like the kind of fanwank that almost never turns out well. In this case, there's some potential in the sense that you have the Unstoppable Force (the Borg) against the Unmovable Object (the Dominion), but where do you go from there?

The question itself "who would in in a fight?" is intellectually interesting, but ends up relying on so many narrative problems that it's rarely satisfying and universally embarrassing.


See also: Freddy vs Jason, Star Wars vs Star Trek, Batman vs Superman, et al.

It would have made for a good movie as you would need a budget to do that justice, but realistically, the Dominion have no chance at all assuming we get the intelligent Borg from TNG as opposed to the castrated Borg from Voyager. The Cube would go in, harvest a few outlaying worlds, isolate a lone Dominion ship to assimilate, and that's the end of that. You now have a cube that is adapted to Dominion tech and has a legion of awesome Jem'Hadar drones (and no one tell be that the Borg could not find a way to adapt to Ketracel White). The only true stumbling block will be the Founders - but I maintain that any species that can be infected by a biological disease can be infected by nanomachines.

Two flavours of imperialism, both convinced they'll be better conquering the other. Could be interesting as a web miniseries.

Bear in mind, Borg versus serious threat in the form of advanced genetic engineering is something that has already been done...

The wormhole couldn't be a factor at all. If Sisko can get the Prophets to shut down the wormhole for the Dominion, you'd better believe it'll be closed to the Borg.

A few Borg nanoprobes told to spread in linked Founders and hide themselves until they reach a critical mass...

On the other hand, maybe they then stop assimilating humans for the same reason they never assimilated the Kazon. "Sorry, but after adding shape-shifting genetics experts with better technology to the collective, adding humans in would now detract from our perfection. So while we thank you for your interest, we regret that we have no openings for humans at this time."

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:12 pm It would have made for a good movie as you would need a budget to do that justice, but realistically, the Dominion have no chance at all assuming we get the intelligent Borg from TNG as opposed to the castrated Borg from Voyager. The Cube would go in, harvest a few outlaying worlds, isolate a lone Dominion ship to assimilate, and that's the end of that. You now have a cube that is adapted to Dominion tech and has a legion of awesome Jem'Hadar drones (and no one tell be that the Borg could not find a way to adapt to Ketracel White). The only true stumbling block will be the Founders - but I maintain that any species that can be infected by a biological disease can be infected by nanomachines.

That's how I figure it would go, too. The Borg would make quick work of the Dominion's military, and then either they can assimilate the Founders easily, or if not just have them surrounded with drones made from the former Dominion forces. Not much the Founders can do at that point.

The Dominion's main strengths are force of intimidation (doesn't work on the Borg), strength of arms (can be assimilated or killed), and infiltration (not relevant against an enemy devoid of politics or society).

Not sure if this would fall under here but one battle I thought would been interesting would have been a battle in the center of the mind thing with Jadzia/Ezri and the other hosts. 8/9 people sharing one body had to have been some chaos involved.

sayla0079 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 pm Not sure if this would fall under here but one battle I thought would been interesting would have been a battle in the center of the mind thing with Jadzia/Ezri and the other hosts. 8/9 people sharing one body had to have been some chaos involved.

Christopher L. Bennet has some similar chaotic stuff in one of his DTI books.

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:24 pm A few Borg nanoprobes told to spread in linked Founders and hide themselves until they reach a critical mass...

Is there any reason to believe the Founders can even be assimilated? The Borg didn't do so well against Species 8472, and I can't recall any examples of non-humanoid Borg.

TheLibrarian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:31 pm

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:24 pm A few Borg nanoprobes told to spread in linked Founders and hide themselves until they reach a critical mass...

Is there any reason to believe the Founders can even be assimilated? The Borg didn't do so well against Species 8472, and I can't recall any examples of non-humanoid Borg.

As clearspira noted, the Founders could be infected by a disease engineered by the Section 31. Other than that, I don't have anything.