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I saw an article to the effect on how STD is more diverse than ever, and I literally wanted to facepalm. Trek has always been diverse. I hate to say this, I really do... maybe it's more diverse because there's no straight white guys? Really, does STD even have a single straight white guy in its whole cast?

Does it really matter to one direction or other considering how negative word diverse has become among some people when it shouldn't be negative. Look since I haven't been watching DISCO I am neutral when it comes to it so I can only talk how I have seen "diversity is bad" attitude that I have encountered on internet from certain group of people without saying that it's forced diversity is bad because at least then I could agree with them about that.

Well, the fact people are acting as if it's something new, when it really isn't, suggests to me an ulterior motive, or they're just plain stupid. Which do you think it could be in some of these cases?

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:53 am Well, the fact people are acting as if it's something new, when it really isn't, suggests to me an ulterior motive, or they're just plain stupid. Which do you think it could be in some of these cases?

The extent of having no strongly masculine sounding dude in the main cast who is not a bad guy, the fucking girl power goofyness with alien queen and Tilly, celebrating fucking pansexuality...

That is brand spanking new...

It's the idiocy of the Neutral Zone episode from a new angle.

There's a confirmed gay couple.

So yes, Discovery is more diverse (or at least adding new levels of diversity vis a vis previous series). Admittedly, I don't recall any Asian characters, but then, TNG didn't have any either (I'm not counting Keiko, because she's basically an extra in that series. She, like O'Brian, only became prominant in DS9).

Looks like the arrangement SF Debris mentioned in Rogue Planet (where the nascent Federation accepted every liberal fantasy in exchange for shoving any and all gays into the closet) finally broke down.

Also, Ash qualifies as "straight white guy," and according to Memory Alpha, he's still on the Discovery and loyal to the Federation.

Seriously Yuka, it's fine if you don't like Discovery, but please fact check your hyperbole before making wild accusations of "an ulterior motive."

I think the diversity of DS9 should be a benchmark, with naturally a few alterations, like more LGBT representation. There's no shame in straight white people, and DS9 thrived off major secondary characters who were just as important, so you could easily encompass a wide swath of people. No, it really feels like from what you say, they have just added a token character from a wide swaths of backgrounds. There's the gay couple, there's the straight white guy, there's the black woman with the masculine name (which ironically borders on racism), there's the Asian, and so on. That's diversity, but a majority of people are still straight whites. If you want that to change, read the Culture. Adapting it to Trek at this point in the timeline feels stupid. I mean, we should keep the somewhat 1960s feel of TOS in any of those prequels. A bit old-fashioned, but in the good way. I mean, some of the older things we've given up weren't all that bad. Human beings were still people several decades ago. Honestly, this feels like a bunch of people raging against the world, who hate that straight white men have the most power, and wanna change it. I mean, you yourself are saying "more diverse than ever." Really, what does it mean? Why is that so important? I know liberals want something more diverse, but there's a basic tenet here we cannot overlook. The majority of people in this country are whites, and straights. I think claiming STD is "more diverse" is just a buzzword to make leftists feel good about themselves, delude themselves into thinking there's progress being made, when really, it doesn't matter. Nothing does.

Seeing that even today LGBT people have difficult there is reason why back in 60's we didn't see any in TOS even when it did make progress with other things. Does it matter? Of course not but then again I don't see any harm in having LGBT characters in TV series either. But then again people do like to make everything political and claim that everything that doesn't match they political views is automatically bad thing and should be removed while blaming other side from same kind of thinking. I will never understand that kind of thinking.

I want consistency, and a gay couple is not inconsistent in the TOS era, won't lie. But the nuance should be similar to how we thought and felt in the 1960s, in the best ways, not the worst. Kirk was obviously meant as a dashing figure who wooed women, and cherished them in that old-time way. That's not bad, but that could be explained in the new series.

Weird thing about gay representation, I'm inclined to think it's a bit of a tightrope to walk considering how people don't like if there's any effeminate etc. stereotypes which intend to act as inexplicable homosexual culture, and the recourse tends to be overtly noticeable exposition that doesn't establish nuance very well.

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but in Swamp Thing, the very first exchange of dialog you hear out of one of the characters is him saying, "get us boyfriends," talking to the female lead.

Idunno though I don't remember being bothered with how Discovery did it.

With Jessica Jones season 2, I'm pretty sure more than every other character introduced was established as gay.

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:10 pm Weird thing about gay representation, I'm inclined to think it's a bit of a tightrope to walk considering how people don't like if there's any effeminate etc. stereotypes which intend to act as inexplicable homosexual culture, and the recourse tends to be overtly noticeable exposition that doesn't establish nuance very well.

I don't like that either. Gay people (and Bi people as well) aren't that different from Heterosexual people way they act and talk when not using any slang so they should be written that in mind without using any stereotypes. You know, as people instead of as stereotypes. Well written Gay or Bi characters aren't defined by they sexual orientation.