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I think the first question that needs to be asked is: how many runabouts would it take to take down the Delta Flyer? Because I would argue that, despite all the lofty claims made of its ''Borg enhanced this and its quantum that'', the Delta Flyer is a glorified runabout - particularly later on when the Dominion War enhanced runabouts get into action that have more photon torpedoes and better shields. They certainly both crash as often.

Now that is out of the way... we have seen that Dominion War runabouts can take a single Jem'Hadar fighter in straight combat but will often struggle against more than three. The Defiant can easily go up against as many as ten fighters and come out the victor but struggles against much more than that.

Answer: Ten minimum.

The ΔF was originally designed to fight an armoured adversary in an adverse environment. It's also leaner than faster than a runabout. Probably as good by itself, as two or three Danube-class runabouts. I feel like five is the right number to take on the Defiant. If they used the cheat codes and had the extra armour like Janeway's shuttle from "Endgame", perhaps three in a snap attack.

But that's assuming a clean fight, maybe with the element of surprise. If the Defiant shook the attack and it turned into a chase, the ΔFs would run out of ammo and fuel way before the Defiant.

Defiant can cloak

One at suffi-wait, wrong forum.

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:59 pm Defiant can cloak

Cloaking takes place of the shields and therefore it cannot do so under fire. Besides, this is Star Trek. Three things always break in the opening volley of torpedoes: transporters, console fuses, cloaking device.

Defiant-A never got the cloak installed, and no other Defiant-class ever had it. I doubt Starfleet ever did anything with Admiral Pressman's phase cloak, either.

Also, kind of a hunch, but it's doubtful that the Romulan cloak on the original Defiant can fool Borg sensors. Romulans originally lost colonies during the early Borg crisis, after all, and they found Romulans in the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.

In general though I'm amused by the question. In those battle scenes you'd see Defiant-class ships buzzing around the large ships, moving fast and low and shooting up a bunch of stuff. To have that same move done *to* a Defiant class, by an even smaller, even faster, even more overpowered tiny vessel, is silly and fun.

PerrySimm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:20 pm Also, kind of a hunch, but it's doubtful that the Romulan cloak on the original Defiant can fool Borg sensors. Romulans originally lost colonies during the early Borg crisis, after all, and they found Romulans in the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.

The Dominion could often see through it too. And I would say that as a general rule of thumb, anything one race can do the Borg can do it better.

Which is why BTW the Treaty of Algeron was never as stupid as it seems. Trek cloaking devices have never been very good: unreliable, power exhaustive and render the shields useless. It was only when Shinzon came along that this changed. Meanwhile the Federation probably got something out of it that we were never told about as even they would not sign a one-sided deal.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:19 pm Meanwhile the Federation probably got something out of [the Treaty of Algeron] that we were never told about as even they would not sign a one-sided deal.

Obviously the Feds got the exclusive rights to a drug that makes people geniuses.

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Are the Delta Fliers being manned by name-crew or redshirts? What about the Defiant?

Depends who's crewing each ship