How would you lot feel for if Trek, Wars, Babylon, etc. had to recreate their various humanoid and non-humanoid societies? Idk, like have the Klingons have a more elongated and wider head like a Xenomorph Queen or the Mantis people in B5 not have the psychological need to mate for life UTIL death of the other.
This have been nagging in my head for the last week after trying to read bad fanfiction on Sufficient Volocity.com. They have it right, but not the density of its lore?
Re: Re-imagining Alien Races
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:15 pm
by Riedquat
I wouldn't be keen, even though we've had re-imaginings before. When it's between the 60s and later I can put that down to limits of the medium (and to be fair it still is, between say a human actor and CGI), but there's a point where if you want to change something, even a look, you have to ask why you're doing it and why you wouldn't be better off creating something completely new.
Re: Re-imagining Alien Races
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:00 am
by McAvoy
Well I didn't like it in Discovery which I think is your point.
But then Klingons have gone through perhaps the most transformations or reimaginings or updates in makeup in sci fi history.
Re: Re-imagining Alien Races
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:13 pm
by King Green
McAvoy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:00 am
Well I didn't like it in Discovery which I think is your point.
But then Klingons have gone through perhaps the most transformations or reimaginings or updates in makeup in sci fi history.
Yeah, it those types of re-imaginings that need it.
Enterprise and Discovery have fundamentally corrupted new-gen Trek and why we have these discussion boards to be critical against Trek.
Without this crappy multi-verse idea Abrams created we be like Christian Puritans that arrived on the mainland and convert the "unclean" to classic Trek-verse.
Re: Re-imagining Alien Races
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:00 pm
by GreyICE
McAvoy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:00 am
Well I didn't like it in Discovery which I think is your point.
But then Klingons have gone through perhaps the most transformations or reimaginings or updates in makeup in sci fi history.
Re: Re-imagining Alien Races
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:02 pm
by Link8909
For me personally I wouldn't try to, I'm fine for the Klingons going from The Original Series to The Motion Picture was a good move, and that was because the limitations of the time and finally being able to create a really alien design for them that wasn't just bushy eyebrows, but while I wasn't as bothered by the Klingons in Discovery, it was an unnecessary change for the sake of change, same thing like what happened before with the Romulans in The Next Generation and the Andorians in Enterprise with both having forehead bumps added simply because.
I would be fine if the redesign was addressed in-universe, or the alien in question is from a really old series or film that would benefit from a redesign, though I'm more familiar with Star Trek than any other Sci-Fi series or film so I couldn't say what alien.
Ok after posting I saw this and I don't know how I forgot about Doctor Who, I love the redesigns that the aliens go through over the years on Doctor Who.
There's also the throwback cybermen during the Doctor Falls...
There might be a more frequently redesigned scifi enemy than the cybermen, but I'll be damned if I can think of what it is. They seem to be redesigned every time they show up.
It's funny because despite a few special effect upgrades the Daleks have remained fairly consistent genocidal aliens inside similar-looking mechanical shells for their entire history (gaining what, an emperor and the ability to go up stairs?) while it feels like every writer wants to make their own take on the Cybermen.
I think it's maybe that the Cybermen need to surprise you, so you always need to rewrite them to preserve the surprise. While the Daleks are mechanical supernazis, that remains scary no matter how overt they are. I mean we all know how the two would square off in a fight:
There's also the throwback cybermen during the Doctor Falls...
There might be a more frequently redesigned scifi enemy than the cybermen, but I'll be damned if I can think of what it is. They seem to be redesigned every time they show up.
It's funny because despite a few special effect upgrades the Daleks have remained fairly consistent genocidal aliens inside similar-looking mechanical shells for their entire history (gaining what, an emperor and the ability to go up stairs?) while it feels like every writer wants to make their own take on the Cybermen.
I think it's maybe that the Cybermen need to surprise you, so you always need to rewrite them to preserve the surprise. While the Daleks are mechanical supernazis, that remains scary no matter how overt they are. I mean we all know how the two would square off in a fight:
Like, the biggest revamp the Daleks got was the toyetic 'New Gen' ones during Series 5 (they were supposed to have distinct ranks and roles, hence the color-coding). It didn't last, no one liked it.
