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I got this from TV Tropes so take this with a grain of salt but basically Lucas' idea for a Sequel Trilogy would have gone as follows.

Darth Maul would've been the Big Bad (presumably his death in Rebels didn't occur in this continuity, seeing as Rebels was made after Disney bought the rights to Star Wars). After the Empire fell, Maul worked his way up to become one of the most powerful crime lords in the galaxy, putting him in a position to threaten the New Republic. Darth Talon from the Legacy comics would also have had a large, action-heavy role as Maul's apprentice and right-hand woman. Leia would've had a central role as she tries to rebuild the Republic, eventually becoming "the chosen one", while Luke tries to rebuild the Jedi.

The reason for Lucas not making this trilogy, in addition to all the harassment he was getting from the Prequels, was due to Lucas wanting to raise his daughter and let's be honest family should take priority over any project you have in mind.

But onto the ideas itself, if this is true I'm honestly kinda surprised Disney didn't go with this given Maul's popularity. Sure, Darth Talon's presents is a bit strange given she's from the future but Lucas' relationship with the Old EU was always a bit weird but I do like how often Lucas would include EU plots points, planets or characters in both his films and in the Clone Wars. At the very least Maul would have raised fewer questions then Snoke and would have been a nice way to tie the Trilogy of Trilogies together by having the very first villain in the series (chronologically) return as the final threat.

Of course the real question is would this have been better or worse then the Sequel Trilogy we got? I don't know as this is only a basic outline of a plot that Lucas had and I couldn't find anything else on this. At the very least I do like how it CONTINUES the story of both the Prequel Trilogy and the Original Trilogy and creates a new kind of threat instead of just retreading the Original Trilogy. But at the same time this could end very badly if done wrong.

I like the Prequels but I do agree that they're flawed films that needed a bit more work so if this was to be done I would prefer Lucas or Disney to get the right people together and make the best story they could.

In regards to Talon's role in the story I do wonder if Lucas would have included her as a love interest to one of the next gen heroes like Ben Skywalker or Jaina Solo (the only surviving kids of the Skywalker line and I think the ones Lucas liked the most). I hate Rey and Kylo Ren for a number of reasons by I'm also a romantic so I wouldn't be against the idea of a enemy to lover arc for Talon if done right.

Given that there is a comic series based on Lucas' original rough draft for the Original Star Wars Trilogy I wonder if Lucas' idea for the Sequel Trilogy will be made into a comic series too.

Thoughts?

I'm pretty much convinced Mr. Lucas didn't want to make the ST at all. Not just due to the PT backlash, but that he also admitted there's very little story to tell, because the EU had already done it. But the EU was never canon. Suuuuuure.

He also stated he was concerned about his own mortality, since a trilogy of movies takes ten years to make, and he was getting on in years. In his own words, he "stood out of the way" for TESB and ROTJ and probably felt, due to his own insecurities, especially after the reception to the PT, that it was best to just let others carry on with his legacy.

He didn't want to make them, there was no passion there, so how his ST would have gone is irrelevant because he did not make them, he never wanted to or he wouldn't have sold to Disney. He's said over and over he had no intent to continue. I put stock in that given how unhappy he looked late into his tenure.

I think there was too much societal pressure for the ST, so that he handed it off to Disney to let them take the heat and the pressure. Pretty much brilliant. He made four billion off the sale, and who here among us wouldn't sell out for four billion?

Captain Crimson wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:58 am I'm pretty much convinced Mr. Lucas didn't want to make the ST at all. Not just due to the PT backlash, but that he also admitted there's very little story to tell, because the EU had already done it. But the EU was never canon. Suuuuuure.

He also stated he was concerned about his own mortality, since a trilogy of movies takes ten years to make, and he was getting on in years. In his own words, he "stood out of the way" for TESB and ROTJ and probably felt, due to his own insecurities, especially after the reception to the PT, that it was best to just let others carry on with his legacy.

He didn't want to make them, there was no passion there, so how his ST would have gone is irrelevant because he did not make them, he never wanted to or he wouldn't have sold to Disney. He's said over and over he had no intent to continue. I put stock in that given how unhappy he looked late into his tenure.

I think there was too much societal pressure for the ST, so that he handed it off to Disney to let them take the heat and the pressure. Pretty much brilliant. He made four billion off the sale, and who here among us wouldn't sell out for four billion?

I think you are correct. I do think Lucas just wasn't interested in making them. He always seems to be that kind of guy that only does things he wants to do and has no interest in anything beyond that. Which is fine, he is rich as hell, he doesn't have to do anything.

Honestly, everyone in Lucasfilm just has to give up on Maul. He was just a brute in Episode 1, he only got more story to him in books, and the animated series. The typical fan probably won't know about that.

Also his age. He would be like 90 or more? 13 years from Episode 1 to 3. 18 years from 3 to 4. Then I think 6 years to Episode 6. Then we can assume the same time jump to account for the OT actors age. So 30 years. Total time would be 67 years from Episode 1 to 7.

They need to give Ahsoka her death, because the fans know she's carried on long past the point even Mr. Lucas wanted her to survive, and as for Maul, well, milking him is all they have left, even though he never really had much presence till TCW. Prior to that, he was in TPM, and you had EU novels and comics that covered his story prior to 32 BBY, but then once he dies, that stops - the only exception being the vaguely semi-canon Star Wars Tales comics, to which was the inspiration for TCW. And it's just never stopped.

McAvoy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:35 am

Captain Crimson wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:58 am I'm pretty much convinced Mr. Lucas didn't want to make the ST at all. Not just due to the PT backlash, but that he also admitted there's very little story to tell, because the EU had already done it. But the EU was never canon. Suuuuuure.

He also stated he was concerned about his own mortality, since a trilogy of movies takes ten years to make, and he was getting on in years. In his own words, he "stood out of the way" for TESB and ROTJ and probably felt, due to his own insecurities, especially after the reception to the PT, that it was best to just let others carry on with his legacy.

He didn't want to make them, there was no passion there, so how his ST would have gone is irrelevant because he did not make them, he never wanted to or he wouldn't have sold to Disney. He's said over and over he had no intent to continue. I put stock in that given how unhappy he looked late into his tenure.

I think there was too much societal pressure for the ST, so that he handed it off to Disney to let them take the heat and the pressure. Pretty much brilliant. He made four billion off the sale, and who here among us wouldn't sell out for four billion?

I think you are correct. I do think Lucas just wasn't interested in making them. He always seems to be that kind of guy that only does things he wants to do and has no interest in anything beyond that. Which is fine, he is rich as hell, he doesn't have to do anything.

Honestly, everyone in Lucasfilm just has to give up on Maul. He was just a brute in Episode 1, he only got more story to him in books, and the animated series. The typical fan probably won't know about that.

Also his age. He would be like 90 or more? 13 years from Episode 1 to 3. 18 years from 3 to 4. Then I think 6 years to Episode 6. Then we can assume the same time jump to account for the OT actors age. So 30 years. Total time would be 67 years from Episode 1 to 7.

The point isn't really a case of if Lucas would have ever made (I personally don't think he was really that interested anymore after the Prequels) but rather to ask the question what this Trilogy would have been like if Disney had gone along with this story instead of the one they ended up doing.

Everyone says that Lucas is a great ideas man so let's look at an idea he had and see if it was better or worse then what we got. And as for Maul's age, we know the Force can extend ones life and Yoda hinted that if Luke could live to 900 years like Yoda himself did so age is not really that much of a factor.

Though I do agree on just letting Maul die as he's reached a Brother Eye situation where he is over used and should just be left behind. I liked Maul in TPM but I personally didn't like how the series wrote him moving forward. He went from someone who barely talks to someone who NEVER Shuts Up! But still, I would want to know how this story would be done if they had gone with it.

Yeah, I get the age explanation, but really, given DSWC's "make it up as you go along" attitude, I could see the boundaries shifting to how long each species lifespan is just to preserve the characters the creatives feel too attached to in order to let go.

And it's not like Zakrak, Iridonians, or even Togruta are shown to be, say, comparable to the Hutts, who can live a few millennia, or the Gen'dai or Neti, who can also live just as long. A few decades or centuries are fine, but there is a real risk they just keep going past that. The formulaic model has been a nuisance on animated works in the past and now, like The Simpsons, Family Guy, King of the Hill was going that way, in Japan, Pokemon and DBS, etc... which is all the possibility certain characters may never die.

I don't buy too much into the Force extending the life of the Jedi or Sith. Baby Yoda is 50 years old, so his species just age differently.

Dooku, Obi Wanetc all looked exactly how they would look like at their age.

I can see the Sith using the Dark Side to extend their life or keep them going even after severe injury. Some EU Sith have done this.

Personally Id rather have a new Sith or even a Sith from long ago brought back through Sith magic or something. Assuming there is a real need for Sith.

I can see Lucas doing a trilogy where it bookends the three trilogies. I mean the Prequels is about the fall of the Republic, rise of the Empire in the end. OT is about the prime of the Empire and eventual fall of the Empire by rebel Republic elements. I can see the ST being the New Republic getting to its prime while dealing with the last elements of the Empire. Same goes with the Jedi and Sith.

McAvoy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:18 am I don't buy too much into the Force extending the life of the Jedi or Sith. Baby Yoda is 50 years old, so his species just age differently.

Dooku, Obi Wanetc all looked exactly how they would look like at their age.

Well, it could be argued that Maul's race ages differently then humans though in regards to Grogu he WAS strong with the Force so that could tie into why he's so old yet still so young... and adorable. I will admit that my preference for Maul is a result of my overall dislike of Snoke and how convoluted he ended up being. While Maul showing up would have been odd it honestly raises fewer questions then Snoke does and could be dealt with in one of dialogue like it was in The Clone Wars.

I'm honestly more interested in how Talon would have played out. Would she have joined the Sith turned hero team or have remained a villain throughout the Trilogy. Going over the other ideas that were as far as I know, Lucas' I think it would be interesting to combine the characters of Kira aka Rey and Sam aka Finn into one character and have her be the main protagonist of the Trilogy with Jaina and Ben being co-leads and forming this Trilogy's Trio.

I personally love the idea of the main character being a former minion of evil turned hero and as shown in She-Ra and Kyle Katarn's series it can lead to great plots and engaging character arcs.

Someone in here is a great story trying to get out and that is what I wish Disney would have focused on. The first Star Wars film they released was going to be a hit no matter what they did. Just look at the first Trailer it's just characters looking around while action-y things happen and ended on a shot of the Falcon and that fans CHEERED for it.

There was no need to just retread TOT and they COULD have done something besides what we got.

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Anyone else read that JJ Abrams admitted the Sequel Trilogy was a piece of shit? Interesting timing.

I don't expect him to suddenly go into the WB Superman reboot with a whole new outlook, planning out where to go and sticking to that. This is just spin to ward off the accurate perception of "JJ Abrams, slayer of franchises."

He only does one movie, maybe two, then that's it, 'cause those bring in the big bucks and that's what the studios want. I foresee, just as in ST and SW, he is there to get the ball rolling and then another figure steps in to pick up the slack in stead. Can't foresee who that will be, though. Could be WB's Mr. Lin of STB, or it could be WB's Mr. Johnson of TLJ. Time will tell.