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This should be interesting.

I must reiterate that I have yet to see the new He-Man series and that is again NOT because of the story choices or even the fact that Kevin Smith lied before the show was released but rather because I'm just waiting for the show to run it's course and waiting for tempers to cool so I can see it without any of the arguments tainting my own view.

However, I have read the synopsis of the show and, to be perfectly honest, I don't think any of this is a bad idea for a story and even kind of intriguing for a sequel to the original series. The idea of a He-Man sequel that focus on the impact of his death and likely return and telling it from the perspective of one of his closest friends is interesting.

Even the idea of Teela being more cold and cynical honestly doesn't sound like a bad idea as the whole point is that this is suppose to be a world that's lost it's greatest hero and having someone who has always been kind of a jerk but with a hidden heart of gold and the death of a hero who she learned was her best friend who lied to her for years which resulted in her losing that heart of gold and her story is, I think, about regaining that sense of optimism. I'll even come out and say that I actually like the redesigns of a couple of characters with Teela being my personal favorite as I actually do prefer the her new look.

My biggest issue with the show is just the fact that Smith lied during marketing to get fans to watch the series instead of being more honest at the start. He didn't need to give exact spoilers but being honest that this would be about the impact of He-Man but focus mostly on Teela and her journey would have likely resulted a less notable fanbase split.

Say what you will about The Last Jedi but Rian Johnson was relativity upfront and honest about what he wanted to do with the film. He made it clear the kind of story he wanted to tell and didn't, as far as I know, outright lie on the way to the films release. He said it was going to be a weird film, he said that he was going to be taking a darker look at Luke and didn't contradict Mark Hamill when he made his opinion on the handling of Luke known. I appreciate that kind of honesty and it's the main reason why I've always respected Johnson as he could have just lied to get people to watch the film but he didn't hide what he was going to do. I don't like TLJ and feel that it didn't do the series justice and hate the treatment of Luke but it never tried to market itself as anything other then what it was.

MOTUR has interesting ideas, has a good cast and a interesting pathos and seems to be sticking truer to the characters then most people realize. I don't know if that will be my final opinion after I see the show proper but just from the synopsis I'm at the very least intrigued. Maybe this is because I'm not as familiar with He-Man then I am with Star Wars, only time will tell.

But what about you, do you think MOTUR is a good followup to the original series or, at the very least, think the concept is a good idea for a followup?

I think it's about half the show.

He-Man dies.

Teela feels bad.

He-Man is resurrected.

Skeletor becomes stronger.

The newer tough Masters of Universe fight him.

I feel the fanboy sphere just went nuts because we only got five episodes of a 10 episode season.

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:34 am I feel the fanboy sphere just went nuts because we only got five episodes of a 10 episode season.

That's something else that bugs me, if there are only 10 episodes why not just release them all at once. Besides a marketing gimmick I see no reason why this couldn't just have been released as a single miniseries instead as two miniseries. I honestly just don't see why they felt the need to do this.

Winter wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:50 am

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:34 am I feel the fanboy sphere just went nuts because we only got five episodes of a 10 episode season.

That's something else that bugs me, if there are only 10 episodes why not just release them all at once. Besides a marketing gimmick I see no reason why this couldn't just have been released as a single miniseries instead as two miniseries. I honestly just don't see why they felt the need to do this.

It's the nature of Streaming.

You aren't paying for the show, you're paying for a subscription.

Dude, the 5 episodes that are out add up to less than 2 hours.
Watch the first one, if you don't like it don't watch anymore.
It is fucking Masters of the Universe, aside from Transformers it is the height of disposable trash 80's children content. Who gives a fuck?

Watch, don't watch it, whatever. But writing this much about the show as some kind of bizarre concept without watching is fucking weird.

Rocketboy1313 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:52 am Dude, the 5 episodes that are out add up to less than 2 hours.
Watch the first one, if you don't like it don't watch anymore.
It is fucking Masters of the Universe, aside from Transformers it is the height of disposable trash 80's children content. Who gives a fuck?

Watch, don't watch it, whatever. But writing this much about the show as some kind of bizarre concept without watching is fucking weird.

No story is without merit, and discussing concepts of series people have yet to watching is the second most common practices on the internet, I'm only unique in that I admit it AND do intend to watch the series in time. My opinion is not about the show itself but the concept of the show. It's like talking about a movie/TV show/game that only has trailers released, I'm more interested in what it is attempting to sell before I buy it.

As for He-Man being disposable trash, did you know that this series was the first series J. Michael Straczynski worked on? Yeah, he helped write 9 episodes of the series along with 9 episodes of the original She-Ra series as well. I bring this up because there is something about the Masters of the Universe franchise, much like Transformers, that has stood the test of time despite it being one of the most goofy 80's series ever made. And yet, people still talk about these series to the point that they have entered into Pop-Culture and are as well known as Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, Dune, DC, Marvel and Lord of the Rings.

By contrast... Have you ever heard of Dino-Riders or Dragon Flyz? These are two series that have some pretty solid premises and also the cool factor that, just like He-Man and Transformers, were just made to sell toys. Yet, no one remembers these shows. No one talks about them, there's no reboot or continuation for either series because neither left it's mark despite it's good concept, solid art style and interesting cool factor.

Why is it no one remembers these shows but do remember He-Man and Transformers with both series STILL getting made and remade over 40 years after their released and are still talked about and quoted today?

It's the characters. Case in point, one the most common complaints about Revelation is that Teela isn't acting like Teela, that her outburst and abandoning her duty doesn't fit with her character. This is not to dissimilar to the complaints about Luke contemplating killing his own nephew in his sleep. This is a popular character among the fans and many feel that she is being done dirty by the new series.

That's why I can't agree that He-Man is disposable trash for the same reason I don't see Power Rangers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Batman disposable trash. A lot of thought and heart was put into these series and as such it struck a cored with people that has resulted in these series stand the test of time and led to some truly great and classic stories.

Kind of interesting how before Kevin Smith opened his big mouth, the outrage crowd were celebrating the then upcoming MOTU Revelations as a "take that" to Netflix's She-Ra reboot, only for them to end up hating it. So I decided to check both show's IMDB and RT audience ratings and it seems She-Ra has a more positive reception than Revelations.

Pretty ironic.

BBally81 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:35 pm Kind of interesting how before Kevin Smith opened his big mouth, the outrage crowd were celebrating the then upcoming MOTU Revelations as a "take that" to Netflix's She-Ra reboot, only for them to end up hating it. So I decided to check both show's IMDB and RT audience ratings and it seems She-Ra has a more positive reception than Revelations.

Pretty ironic.

Gotta agree on this, saw so many He-Man fans going "THIS is how you do He-Man" and celebrating the show as a true return of the series by taking the cheesy over the top nature of the original while blending it together with more modern storytelling styles. This is a classic example of "Don't celebrate a victory until it's earned" which is a phrase that really speaks for itself.

Now again, I don't much care for Smith outright lying or how Netflix's marketing as I feel that's just bad business. Sure, you can have manipulative editing, carefully chosen words that conceal the truth by using the truth or trolling the audience. But outright saying that the show was going to focus on He-Man and that it was his story because fans had figured out the twist is just dumb. Smith did this because he didn't want anyone to figure out that fans had figured out his twist and wanted them to be surprised and Netflix wanted He-Man fans to watch their show so they framed it to look like it was Adam's story. I just can't support this marketing style.

Again, say what you will about The Last Jedi but Rian Johnson was upfront with fans from the start. He said the film was going to be weird, that he wanted to explore darker side of Luke and never once tried to counter argue Hamill's statement on Luke. I may not like TLJ but I respect Johnson's honesty and had MOTUR just been more honest from the start (that this would focus more on Teela and her journey and that He-Man would not be present without revealing that he was killed) it's likely that the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it is now.

I do get some of the criticism like the treatment of Teela with many feeling she's out of character and even those who like this series have admitted that she's hard to tolerate is a fair assessment. But the hype that was being built up for this show and the marketing fueling that hype resulted in the mess we currently have. And the truth of the matter is, Netflix didn't NEED to hype the show up, many She-Ra fans would have watched it as many of them are now getting into the He-Man series, newer viewers would have checked it out just out of curiosity and older He-Man and She-Ra fans likely would have checked it out because, contrary to popular belief, the new She-Ra series IS liked by the older fans of the series who are more open minded.

The backlash of MOTUR is likely one that is going to stick with the series for a LONG time regardless whether the series is vindicated by history or not because of the BS of the series' creator and the marketing promising something it had no intention on delivering.

Still, I do find it a little bit funny how some fans were hoping to use MOTUR as a means to stick it to the She-Ra reboot and playing it up as a great show before they actually saw it only to end up hating. Again, there are some valid criticisms and I don't like it when creators and marketing lie like this but still, they really should have waited to watch the show before they began singing it's praises.

The manosphere wanting it to be a dark and gory Castlevania-esque series is pretty much them projecting and it was embarrassing. They also wanted it to be a "rebuttal" to a wildly successful series that Kevin Smith never said anything against.

So it's on them that they got butthurt.

Rocketboy1313 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:52 am Dude, the 5 episodes that are out add up to less than 2 hours.
Watch the first one, if you don't like it don't watch anymore.
It is fucking Masters of the Universe, aside from Transformers it is the height of disposable trash 80's children content. Who gives a fuck?

Watch, don't watch it, whatever. But writing this much about the show as some kind of bizarre concept without watching is fucking weird.

80s toy driven cartoons were a wonderful canvas for writers to play on. They allowed them room to write a bunch of fun episodes that were embodying the weird shit kids do to their toys when playing with them. You can't do the same thing anymore with cartoons, and yet, they also managed to develop their own interesting world building despite being so childish.

I know I might come off as a hypocrite saying this cus I'm into loving the deep symbolism of stuff, but when it comes to kids shows, making them fun should be paramount and a lot of 80s stuff did that. He-Man wasn't my thing, but it's stupid little grin inducing stuff encouraged that.

The problem is it was a fun kid's show but the kids, now grown up, won't let it go. That's the trouble we're facing now.

As for this, He-man more than anything else to me cries out for the 1980s Flash Gordon treatment of a loving, dead-pan approach to its silliness that never winks at the camera.