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Really, it makes no sense! They want to avoid oversight from the Asgard High Council, I get that! At the same time, however, space is... UNIMAGINABLY VAST. And, really, if it's just that Pegasus is one of a few galaxies with humans there, then you could have just transplanted them somewhere else in the universe, I doubt a few would be missed while the Ancients and Wraith were duking it out. Tbh, I think this is what spelled the death knell for SGU and indeed, Stargate, from what I see. Because late Stargate was losing a bit of its grip, continuity was a bit more lax, but it was still fun. However, transition that into a grimbleak Battlestar Galactica type verse shoehorned in that's meant to draw in the younger crowd, and those flaws instantly become more apparent, like how SGU had a poor foundation to the rest of the shows. I mean, COME ON. Atlantis had more professionalism with the civilian/military dynamic. But anyway, what do you think?

I think the decline in Stargate specifically Atlantis had alot to do with a few things.

The McKay show it later became was symptom of the issue it had with its characters. Teyla was hard to write for, and didn't know what to do with her. Ford is the same so they ditched him early. Hell, he became more annoying than anything else in his post Season 1 appearances. Weir was another issue. Basically if more than half your main characters have issues in their writing, you may have an greater issue.

Atlantis relies on Stargate SG-1 continuty. But the problem is that by that point Stargate as a whole became Trek-lite. It became less about the modern military trying to overcome powerful aliens and more about Trek stuff.

I was speaking more so in-verse.

Because Pegasus was the only Galaxy with a humanoid population large enough that the Vanir/Asgard could experiment on. Milky Way galaxy wasn't repopulated by the Ancients with humanoids, they simply left the galaxy after they purged the plague and reseeded the galaxy using the Dakara device, which is why most habitable planets look like Canada. Earth at this stage was still a backward planet with low population and I don't think the Asgard even know of its existence yet, hell Ra didn't find the planet until a bit later.

Mabus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:20 pm Because Pegasus was the only Galaxy with a humanoid population large enough that the Vanir/Asgard could experiment on. Milky Way galaxy wasn't repopulated by the Ancients with humanoids, they simply left the galaxy after they purged the plague and reseeded the galaxy using the Dakara device, which is why most habitable planets look like Canada. Earth at this stage was still a backward planet with low population and I don't think the Asgard even know of its existence yet, hell Ra didn't find the planet until a bit later.

I don't remember it ever being mentioned that Dakara reseeded the galaxy after the plague. I thought it was just a big gun. And wasn't the end of the plague meant to be when the Ancients ascended en-mass? I always assumed that Pegasus must have come before then.

Regardless, this is one of those retcons if true that severely harms the early seasons of SG-1 as it was always stated that the reason for the Milky Way being full of humans is because of Goa'uld slave trading which makes far more sense to me as an explanation as there is evidence for that everywhere.

McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:32 am I think the decline in Stargate specifically Atlantis had alot to do with a few things.

The McKay show it later became was symptom of the issue it had with its characters. Teyla was hard to write for, and didn't know what to do with her. Ford is the same so they ditched him early. Hell, he became more annoying than anything else in his post Season 1 appearances. Weir was another issue. Basically if more than half your main characters have issues in their writing, you may have an greater issue.

Atlantis relies on Stargate SG-1 continuty. But the problem is that by that point Stargate as a whole became Trek-lite. It became less about the modern military trying to overcome powerful aliens and more about Trek stuff.

To this day I believe that they should have ditched Teyla at the same time as Ford. Like Neelix, her character did make sense for season one. She was their guide to the worlds and customs of this new place. The problem was that, unlike Neelix, she never really evolved beyond that and ended up just becoming the team babe (notice how the cleavage on display increased by season). I'm not sure who they could have replaced her with but Dr Beckett as a team regular would have been fine with me.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:37 pm

Mabus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:20 pm Because Pegasus was the only Galaxy with a humanoid population large enough that the Vanir/Asgard could experiment on. Milky Way galaxy wasn't repopulated by the Ancients with humanoids, they simply left the galaxy after they purged the plague and reseeded the galaxy using the Dakara device, which is why most habitable planets look like Canada. Earth at this stage was still a backward planet with low population and I don't think the Asgard even know of its existence yet, hell Ra didn't find the planet until a bit later.

I don't remember it ever being mentioned that Dakara reseeded the galaxy after the plague. I thought it was just a big gun. And wasn't the end of the plague meant to be when the Ancients ascended en-mass? I always assumed that Pegasus must have come before then.

Regardless, this is one of those retcons if true that severely harms the early seasons of SG-1 as it was always stated that the reason for the Milky Way being full of humans is because of Goa'uld slave trading which makes far more sense to me as an explanation as there is evidence for that everywhere.

Anubis tells Daniel in that Ascended cafe that the Ancients used the device to reseed the galaxy with life after the plague:

JIM
I give him 3-1 odds to succeed. You want to know the irony of it all? That device was originally used by the Ancients to create life in the Milky Way. Well, recreate it, after the whole plague thing. No kidding. Now it all gets undone with the push of one button, leaving Anubis to recreate things all over to his own liking. There's a waste of a million odd years of evolution, huh?

Although it appears that they didn't just recreate everything as it was before, just the bare minimum to allow the planet to support life, and then left the evolution take its course, which is why I guess they left the galaxy. Also the ascension en-masse is never made clear in the show, if anything it appears that it happened in multiple stages, maybe the Others didn't want too many people ascending at once for some reason. Or maybe the knowledge was lost after the plague and they had to restart all over again. Or maybe the cure that the Ancients used to heal themselves from the plague prevented them from ascending, which is why maybe Ayiana didn't ascend after she died.
And I'm pretty sure that the Goa'uld and Asgard were mostly responsible for planting humans all over the galaxy, as there are only a handful of humanoid species that aren't related to humans, and only like two species that look almost identical to humans barring minor differences (the Nox and Enkarans come to mind).

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:55 pm To this day I believe that they should have ditched Teyla at the same time as Ford. Like Neelix, her character did make sense for season one. She was their guide to the worlds and customs of this new place. The problem was that, unlike Neelix, she never really evolved beyond that and ended up just becoming the team babe (notice how the cleavage on display increased by season). I'm not sure who they could have replaced her with but Dr Beckett as a team regular would have been fine with me.

DISAGREE. Telya is meant to be a warm voice of compassion. And you act as if fanservice is somehow bad. But don't you hate the anti-sexy Feminists?

Really, I thought her character was good. As the team heart, she did splendidly.

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:10 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:55 pm To this day I believe that they should have ditched Teyla at the same time as Ford. Like Neelix, her character did make sense for season one. She was their guide to the worlds and customs of this new place. The problem was that, unlike Neelix, she never really evolved beyond that and ended up just becoming the team babe (notice how the cleavage on display increased by season). I'm not sure who they could have replaced her with but Dr Beckett as a team regular would have been fine with me.

DISAGREE. Telya is meant to be a warm voice of compassion. And you act as if fanservice is somehow bad. But don't you hate the anti-sexy Feminists?

Really, I thought her character was good. As the team heart, she did splendidly.

She did have her moments in the series where she did do that. Be the heart. I think it was more common in the first two seasons. She kinda became redundant once Ronan joined as the galaxy native.

So she was the heart of series but barely used.

I could understand that.