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The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:36 pm
by Winter
A while ago I posted a thread on the sillyness of the Taiwanese translation of trying, and failing, to change the nature of Luz and Amity's relationship from romantic to "Awesome Best Friends" while changing literally Nothing else and how back in the 90's the same thing was done with Haruka and Michiru on Sailor Moon by changing the obvious lovers to cousins. The reason for this is stupid as it's just the mentality of the time and HILARIOUS because of what is either a lack of thought on the part of the translators or said translators seeing how stupid this is and just screwing with the network.

But what's really funny is how the same thing happened to Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo during and after the release of the Disney Sequel Trilogy over on Star Wars. During the release Disney and Lucas Film was tight lip on whether Rey and Kylo had romantic feelings for each other even though the text of the film's make it obvious that the two are, for whatever reason, in love with each other. At least that's the case in The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker with the latter even having the two kiss, on the lips for the whole world to see as Ben gave his life to save Rey... Which didn't turn out to very well as it managed to piss off both none shippers and shippers alike.

It seemed that the none shippers were in the majority, or where at least the ones Disney was listening to the most, as soon after the film was released there was a TON of supplementary material trying to retcon the kiss and the relationship as not being romantic and that Rey just saw Kylo/Ben as just a good friend... I mean, what?

One reviewer put this best so I'll just quote them "How did they manage to no homo and Heterosexual Relationship". Much like the translations of the two couples I mentioned before it's hilarious to see a studio try to paint what is obviously meant to be a romantic relationship as a completely platonic relationship only now with a relationship a studio would normally support but the backlash from both those who disliked the ship and those who supported it was so massive that Disney and Lucas Film tried to change the nature of the relationship even though it was obvious what the creators of the second and third film intended the relationship to be viewed as.

It's, honestly, just hilarious. :lol:

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:39 pm
by Hero_Of_Shadows
Yes it is hilarious, was there really such a big potential fandom that was "yes I love the ST I want books and games and etc but only if they make it clear Reylo isn't a thing!"?

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:41 pm
by hammerofglass
I still think the most ridiculous version of this is the movie Troy where they made Achilles straight and Patroclus his cousin that he didn't even really like but kept Achilles' reaction to Patroclus' death exactly the same. Why even use that story if you don't want to tell the story?

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:59 pm
by Winter
hammerofglass wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:41 pm I still think the most ridiculous version of this is the movie Troy where they made Achilles straight and Patroclus his cousin that he didn't even really like but kept Achilles' reaction to Patroclus' death exactly the same. Why even use that story if you don't want to tell the story?
I know right? I mean Achilles insured that after his death that his ashes would be mixed with Patroclus' so they would be together forever (be still my heart).

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:59 pm
by hammerofglass
Winter wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:59 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:41 pm I still think the most ridiculous version of this is the movie Troy where they made Achilles straight and Patroclus his cousin that he didn't even really like but kept Achilles' reaction to Patroclus' death exactly the same. Why even use that story if you don't want to tell the story?
I know right? I mean Achilles insured that after his death that his ashes would be mixed with Patroclus' so they would be together forever (be still my heart).
Even if you're going to use a "they were just really good friends" reading (there's nothing explicit in the poem and people were already arguing over that by the time it got written down), actually have them be really good friends. They went so far into No Homo that Achilles seems to actively resent Patroclus' presence. Eudorus seems to be his best friend in this one.

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:58 am
by McAvoy
hammerofglass wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:41 pm I still think the most ridiculous version of this is the movie Troy where they made Achilles straight and Patroclus his cousin that he didn't even really like but kept Achilles' reaction to Patroclus' death exactly the same. Why even use that story if you don't want to tell the story?
Made for a movie. Alot of stuff was cut out of the poem or story for the movie. One of the bigger issues is the final confrontation between Hector and Achilles. Hector in the story fled in fear. In the movie he stood his ground and fought nearly 1 on 1 until his death.

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:10 pm
by CharlesPhipps
It was a bad idea and while it satisfied the fangirls who loved Reylo, it undermined Rey as a character.

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:31 pm
by BridgeConsoleMasher
Curious, Winter, how many times you've seen the sequel trilogy?

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:42 am
by Winter
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:31 pm Curious, Winter, how many times you've seen the sequel trilogy?
Okay, coming back just to answer this one but then I'm heading back out.

I watched TFA at least 10 times back when it was out but stopped after TLJ, I've watched TLJ 3 times (once in theaters, once when it was on Blu-Ray and once for my review for it) and I've watched ROS once and while I do plan to watch it again that is only for my review/comparison between it and The Last Command from TTT.

Re: The Reylo "Friendship" Kiss

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:14 am
by BridgeConsoleMasher
Winter wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:42 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:31 pm Curious, Winter, how many times you've seen the sequel trilogy?
Okay, coming back just to answer this one but then I'm heading back out.

I watched TFA at least 10 times back when it was out but stopped after TLJ, I've watched TLJ 3 times (once in theaters, once when it was on Blu-Ray and once for my review for it) and I've watched ROS once and while I do plan to watch it again that is only for my review/comparison between it and The Last Command from TTT.
I see. Because you seem to have a strong grip on the following of events throughout the movies.