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Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:33 pm
by clearspira
Here's my contribution to Pride Month. I think there are a number of characters who probably were LGBT in Trek but weren't allowed to be thanks to the era of the show they were on or the attitudes of the writing staff. I want to name three which I thought would make interesting discussions.

Harry Kim. Yeah, starting off obvious, but I do not think he was intentionally written gay - it just sure has hell comes off like that. By my count he has passed up sex four times and a fifth which was a maybe. Once with the pleasure planet woman from ''Prime Factors'' who was literally clawing at his chest, one with an exact duplicate of his own girlfriend to go and hang out with Tom, once with Seven after pursing her for the whole episode no less, and once with the randy Klingon woman. The fifth maybe is the fact that one of the Delaney twins was into him but he wanted the other one/fell out of a gondola.

Now of course, there is the Glowing Woman. He has sex with her. Apparently anyway, given how we are told that she doesn't actually have a vagina. And the beautiful thing about her is, he knew that she would be gone in a couple of days. No long term commitments.

He has so much more chemistry with Tom over literally anyone else. That doesn't mean anything on its own, but ever notice how Libby just stops coming up in conversation after a while? As far as we know he never gets a ''Dear John'' like Janeway did with Mark. He just stops mentioning her. And all the while he is going after all of these other women. ''For Libby damn it, because there is nothing gay about this.''

The second would be Nog. The interesting thing about Nog is that he STARTS OFF like Quark. A rather misogynistic delinquent who treats women like crap. But he ends up proving himself to be one of the most unconventional Ferengi in history short of his own father - Grand Nagus Rom. We never hear about his love life after he joins Starfleet and, like Harry, his major friendships all seem to be with guys. Jake, Chief O'Brien, his idolisation of the leader of Red Squad. I'm not sure that I ever remember him getting oo-mox from a lady either. If there is anyone on DS9 who has the potential to be gay then I really do think that it is him.

And finally, Janice Lester. Hoo-boy. If there was ever a controversial can of worms it's ''Turnabout Intruder''. But its her statement that she would ''rather be dead then live with the indignity of being a woman'' that gets me. I don't know how else to interpret that then to say, yeah, she probably was trans. Or had enough internalised misogyny to sink a battleship. Especially after the whole ''women aren't allowed to be captains'' thing was retconned by both ENT and DIS so it now comes off as her pulling that rule out of her butt.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:21 pm
by stryke
Plain, simple, most definitely bi, Garak.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:58 pm
by CharlesPhipps
I assume Kira is bi because her doppelganger in the Mirrorverse is genetically identical.

It just never came up.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:32 am
by hammerofglass
CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:58 pm I assume Kira is bi because her doppelganger in the Mirrorverse is genetically identical.

It just never came up.
Everyone in the mirror universe is bi. I think you're right I just don't think that counts as evidence.

Jadzia Dax is pan, Ezri Dax is straight but hasn't had long enough for that mid-transition reevaluation to really kick in so might not end up there.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:35 pm
by stryke
CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:58 pm It just never came up.
Given she was willing to dress up in those rediculous outfits for Jadzia I'm going to count that as a nod in that direction of there being some attraction there.
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:32 am Everyone in the mirror universe is bi. I think you're right I just don't think that counts as evidence.
I can see a case for Worf, and an outside chance for Sisko, but I don't think there's enough evidence to make a blanket statement that everyone over there was bi. Even less so when you look at the ToS and Enterprise examples.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:06 pm
by BridgeConsoleMasher
That would explain a lot of things re: everyone being bi. Jk don’t cancel me plz.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:22 pm
by Frustration
clearspira wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:33 pm But its her statement that she would ''rather be dead then live with the indignity of being a woman''
That's pretty obviously a statement about the cultural role assigned to women rather than a belief that her physiology was incorrect.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:03 am
by BridgeConsoleMasher
Phlox

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:14 am
by CharlesPhipps
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:32 am Everyone in the mirror universe is bi. I think you're right I just don't think that counts as evidence.

Jadzia Dax is pan, Ezri Dax is straight but hasn't had long enough for that mid-transition reevaluation to really kick in so might not end up there.
Well every WOMAN seems to be bi in the Mirror Universe. But Jadzia is pan in the DS9 universe canonically. Garak is also as bi as they could make him.

So it's just Kira, Ezri, and Leeta.

Re: Celebrating Pride Month: Which Star Trek characters do you think were probably LGBT?

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:54 am
by stryke
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the Ezri/Leeta fanservice.