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This is a thought stolen from tumblr user spock's evil grandmother, but like, it took BALLS to include Chekov in Star Trek. Can you imagine a New Trek show having a character from North Korea?

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:48 am This is a thought stolen from tumblr user spock's evil grandmother, but like, it took BALLS to include Chekov in Star Trek. Can you imagine a New Trek show having a character from North Korea?

Perhaps though I dont recall anyone making a stink about it fan wise.

I think with Disco Trek they wouldn't even play up some Asian crew member as being North Korea. They barely gave out the locations of where the main crew were in the TNG era. LaForge, Crusher?

Probably because we know of others including DS9 and VOY because they made whole episodes and/or series long plot lines about where they came from. Riker was from Canada and his father was a bit of a dick but that's about it.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:48 am This is a thought stolen from tumblr user spock's evil grandmother, but like, it took BALLS to include Chekov in Star Trek. Can you imagine a New Trek show having a character from North Korea?

I mean, in the trek future, wouldn't any such character just be from Korea?

TGLS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:34 am

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:48 am This is a thought stolen from tumblr user spock's evil grandmother, but like, it took BALLS to include Chekov in Star Trek. Can you imagine a New Trek show having a character from North Korea?

I mean, in the trek future, wouldn't any such character just be from Korea?

Good question. Is there a North Korea in Utopian Earth future.

Well at least in the Prime time line. Don't know how Utopian Earth is in Discoverse.

North Korea was shattered in WW3 and then swallowed up in the offscreen unification that creates the one world government Earth has from Enterprise on, just like every other country.

Also Riker was from Alaska, not Canada. Although since Frakes made no attempt to change his central Pennsylvania accent I can see the confusion.

TGLS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:34 am

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:48 am This is a thought stolen from tumblr user spock's evil grandmother, but like, it took BALLS to include Chekov in Star Trek. Can you imagine a New Trek show having a character from North Korea?

I mean, in the trek future, wouldn't any such character just be from Korea?

Given how things are going behind the neo-iron curtain, it doesn't take much to keep Chekov timeless without changing anything about the character.

Actually that raise a second question. Would the united federation still refer to people by lines on a map made centuries or even millennia ago?

Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:39 pm Actually that raise a second question. Would the united federation still refer to people by lines on a map made centuries or even millennia ago?

Considering the Federation uses a more American point of view. And then following by the number of Americans that can go around saying. "I am German, Irish, Scottish, English." Etc. Even though they are three or more generations from ever setting foot in those other places?
Yeah. Regions would exist even if the countries don't.

Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:39 pm Actually that raise a second question. Would the united federation still refer to people by lines on a map made centuries or even millennia ago?

We still adhere to lines drawn on maps and in sand houndreds and thousands of years ago this day. There's no reason why it would be different in 200 years from now. The funny thing is, lines like these have a habit of ingraining themselves in ways that are not immediatly apparent, but are nontheless deep and change things on a funamental level that's hard to put into words. Have a look at this:



This is Berlin at night, as seen from a satellite. You're probably vaguely aware, that the city used to be divided between the Eastern and Western powers, with a border running right through it (and around the western part). The border was removed more than 30 years ago and many symbols of the old ways were removed seemlessly and without knowing what to look for, you'd never notice:







But the satellite image? Here's a reference with a picture of the zones Berlin was divided into, from 1961 for comparison:



Clear as day (or night-lights in this case), where the border once was and in ways still is, running through the hearts and minds of the people living there in ways that are hard to put into words, almost two generations after the border ceased to exist.

My take is that in Star Trek it's down to how much someone cares about their family history. So like Chekhov is proud of being Russian and Picard is French old money but Sulu offhand mentions being born in San Francisco once and doesn't really care beyond that.