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I've been going over a lot of my ideas and one of them is Batman Beyond remake. To refresh this would be an overall faithful adaptation of the original Batman Beyond series with a few changes, for example Terry's kid sibling is Carrie Kelley McGinnis instead of Matt, Terry's main love interest is Ellen Yin instead of Dana, Terry is NOT Bruce's son. Blight is the villain overarching villain of the series instead of just the first season (and doesn't become Blight until the end of season 2), Dr. Stephanie Lake goes through a redemption arc and saves Freeze, and Kobra is the main villain of season 2 instead of a one off threat.

One thing I'm struggling with is Terry's mom, in this continuity Carrie learns her brother is Batman and becomes Robin to help him fight crime and avenge their father and obviously their mom is going to find out. She's terrified for her children's safety but realizes that the city needs them. Now, the issue is if Bruce would offer them to stay at Wayne Manor for security reasons as Wayne Manor is the overall safest place in Gotham or would he just make sure their own place is safe round the clock?

Personally while I think the more logical option is for the family to move into Wayne Manor but at the same time, what I've said before and I'll keep saying, what I love about Terry is he's NOT Bruce. He doesn't live in a manor he lives in an apartment building in the middle of the city. The Batcave is where he works not where he lives.

And from an in universe standpoint it's to much of a risk. Terry working for Bruce as an errand runner or personal assistant with his sister helping him out might be strange but nothing to unusual. A whole working middle class family suddenly moving into the home of the richest man in Gotham? That would draw wanted attention. Sure Bruce taking people in is nothing new but I think this would be a bit to odd.

Now I can see Bruce helping to cover the McGinnis house and taxes (and I have to imagine that he would pay Terry and Carrie a LOT of money) and insuring that they are safe from regular thugs and provides their home with top of the line security.

But what do you all think, should the McGinnis family just move into Wayne Manor or just stick with where they live?

Well first of all you are altering tons while being 'faithful' so there is that.
I think mom knowing is a bad idea. Look at the episode where the reporter was going to show the footage of Batman unmasked. She was all for it just for funsies. Toss in some family members get weird with their children's jobs and abilities.
Slightly off topic I have tried off and on again to write my own meta teen. I wanted to base her off my own family so I quizzed my mother. Problem right out of Worm. A kaiju with tidal wave powers is about to attack the city and wipe everyone out. Mom and dad have no powers, emergency response is go into shelters. She was fine with this till she learned the teen had powers and would go with other metas to try to mitigate damage. "Cool I would come with". The secret identity thing does have a purpose.

Those things said. I think brother and sister would need to be closer in age to partner in the field. And not come out at once. Terry I think should take up the mantle pulling Bruce from his lethargy as originally done. Bruce does not randomly hire Terry. If she knows what is happening, Bruce hires his mother to help him as a carer. He does need help, it gives them a good excuse to be close and access to the training area of the Bat Cave.
Have little sister not take up the mantle of Robin. It is cliche' when she has a ready role to step into. Batgirl. And she can step up in the classic fashion. Terry is in trouble, she grabs a suit to help and does help. Her own spirit and determination shows she is like her brother and why Bruce would relent allowing them both in the mantle as partners.

Why make an adult detective as Terry's girlfriend though?

Nealithi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:27 am Well first of all you are altering tons while being 'faithful' so there is that.
I think mom knowing is a bad idea. Look at the episode where the reporter was going to show the footage of Batman unmasked. She was all for it just for funsies. Toss in some family members get weird with their children's jobs and abilities.
Slightly off topic I have tried off and on again to write my own meta teen. I wanted to base her off my own family so I quizzed my mother. Problem right out of Worm. A kaiju with tidal wave powers is about to attack the city and wipe everyone out. Mom and dad have no powers, emergency response is go into shelters. She was fine with this till she learned the teen had powers and would go with other metas to try to mitigate damage. "Cool I would come with". The secret identity thing does have a purpose.

Those things said. I think brother and sister would need to be closer in age to partner in the field. And not come out at once. Terry I think should take up the mantle pulling Bruce from his lethargy as originally done. Bruce does not randomly hire Terry. If she knows what is happening, Bruce hires his mother to help him as a carer. He does need help, it gives them a good excuse to be close and access to the training area of the Bat Cave.
Have little sister not take up the mantle of Robin. It is cliche' when she has a ready role to step into. Batgirl. And she can step up in the classic fashion. Terry is in trouble, she grabs a suit to help and does help. Her own spirit and determination shows she is like her brother and why Bruce would relent allowing them both in the mantle as partners.

Why make an adult detective as Terry's girlfriend though?

To address your first point, while I do intend to change a few things in the end the core of the series remains intact. Terry is Terry, he has the same arc, the same personality, same backstory and the same set of skills. How meets Bruce is the same, how he gets the Batsuit and becomes Batman is the same and he acts just like he did before. He's wise cracking, snarky and likes to talk a lot.

Bruce is also unchanged as is his reasons for retiring as Batman and he's still as bitter as he was before he met Terry.

Carrie, I feel needs to be Robin. She was Robin when she was introduced and a Batman must have a Robin it's like one of the comic cosmic laws. Still trying to figure out her suit though, the ones Matt wears in the comics is, well, shit and I'm not a fan of most other versions as they're mostly just the Batman Beyond suit with a Robin logo, and sometimes not even that.

But yeah I think I'll keep Carrie as Robin though I'm not married to that idea so it might change. Though one thing I would give her is have her be a friend of Willie Watt and he becomes her arch-nemesis. The basics of this is, and remember this is me, Willie has a crush on Bobbi "Blade" Sommer but Blade ends up falling for Carrie and Carrie has a crush on Blade too. Carrie does manage to get Willie a date with her but it goes sideways and Blade ends up dancing with Carrie which causes Willie trying to use the Golum to kill Carrie (ironic since Willie is inspire by Carrie White from Steven King's Carrie and he's trying to kill Carrie).

There are other factors that lead to the two friends drifting apart with one of my favorite bits being in a class room debate where Carrie and Willie argue if Batman should kill his enemies or not with Carrie being against the idea while Willie is in favor of the killing idea with Nash and Blade taking Carrie's side (Nash, the school jock, even getting to make a solid point by bringing up the Justice Lords).

As for Yin, she's about 20 or 21 years old and Terry about 17 or 18. The series takes place over the course of 3 years with each season representing a year. The two don't develop feelings for each other until season 2 and don't start dating until season 3. Yin graduated early and joined the Metropolis Police Force and was transferred over to Gotham by the request of her old friend and Mentor Duke Thomas as she's one of the few people he can trust.

Yin I just like the idea of Terry's main love interest being a cop and I think her personality would play off both Terry and Batman perfectly, much better than she did with Bruce in The Batman. Putting them together as rivals turned lovers was a lot of fun and again the age gap isn't that big and again it's not until season 2 that they start falling for each other and not until season 3 that they start dating (by that point she's already aware who Terry is).

I was tempted to have it be Max but I prefer them as friends. I was never tempted with Melanie aka Ten as the relationship is just to similar to the Bat and the Cat romance. Yin could have a more active role in the series, being the Gordon to Terry's Batman if the two ended up dating.

For the record Barbara isn't in the show much and is happily married to Dick and Kori and is living with them in Blüdhaven. Next to the whole "Terry is secretly Bruce's Clone Son" the whole "Bruce and Barbara where a couple" is one of the few things from this series I not only dislike but outright hate.

Duke replaces Barbara as "Old Friend of Bruce's on the Force" but instead of lovers it's one of his sons though I am tempted to have it where the two don't know each other to firmly establish this as an AU as the story of BB just doesn't work with the Batfamily as we know them. For things to end up the way they do several characters would have to be completely out of character for this story to work.

Still working on the backstory but the story is pretty much the same.

Side Note: I want to give Carrie a different weapon but one that still harkens back to her classic sling shot. There's some sort of bow and arrow used in Horizon Forbidden West that's small and almost looks like a Sling Shot. The game calls it a Warrior Bow but I can't find what it's actually called but that would be her weapon there. Silly detail I know but Sling Shots are hard to take seriously despite how dangerous they really are. Plus and I'm a sucker for Bows and Arrows, always have been. What can I say I love the classics.

Maybe for Carrie first outfit, her gear is more put together like it made out of whatever she could get her hands on, a nice contrast to Terry more advance outfit with all it gadgets.

I feel like Bruce should give Terry a much, much bigger paycheck.

And probably should at least include Terry in his will.

But I don't think he needs to invite them to live in the creepy manor.

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:17 pm I feel like Bruce should give Terry a much, much bigger paycheck.

And probably should at least include Terry in his will.

But I don't think he needs to invite them to live in the creepy manor.

That was my thought, exactly.

If anyone was going to get the estate (the cash, the house, the stake in Wayne-Powers, etc.) by that point, it would logically be Terry.

ProfessorDetective wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:47 pm

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:17 pm I feel like Bruce should give Terry a much, much bigger paycheck.

And probably should at least include Terry in his will.

But I don't think he needs to invite them to live in the creepy manor.

That was my thought, exactly.

If anyone was going to get the estate (the cash, the house, the stake in Wayne-Powers, etc.) by that point, it would logically be Terry.

That all depends on one thing, where are the rest of Bruce's kids? As I mentioned before my thought is that BB is a AU where Bruce just only adopted Dick and Jason NEVER had an affair with Barbara (seriously ew) but that still raises the question, what is Bruce's relationship with his sons and would he leave them anything? I have to imagine they're both still in the will and Terry isn't the soul person to get anything as that seems out of character for Bruce. I think it makes more sense that Bruce would divide the estate and money equally between his kids and the Fox family.

I think leaving a big chunk to Dick and Tim with the possibility of a Jason Todd or Damien Wayne existing in this world is reasonable. Basically, there's a lot of potential flashbacks in this.

It's not like Bruce dividing his fortune 5 or 6 ways won't be more than enough for most people.

He's also (mostly) reconciled with his adult children.

It should be noted that Bruce is also Terry's brother's biological father as well.

(The fact his children look nothing like their father may have also contributed to Terry's father's divorce from his mother but this is fanon theorizing)

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:55 am I think leaving a big chunk to Dick and Tim with the possibility of a Jason Todd or Damien Wayne existing in this world is reasonable. Basically, there's a lot of potential flashbacks in this.

It's not like Bruce dividing his fortune 5 or 6 ways won't be more than enough for most people.

He's also (mostly) reconciled with his adult children.

It should be noted that Bruce is also Terry's brother's biological father as well.

(The fact his children look nothing like their father may have also contributed to Terry's father's divorce from his mother but this is fanon theorizing)

Once again, not having Bruce be related to Terry in my continuity (also I misread that at first and thought you said that Bruce is Terry's brother/father and I was like ). In the original series, which is also the case in my series, Terry just takes a bit more after his mom. It's not that unusual, I resemble my mom and my sister resembles my dad. Sure odds both kids having black hair to one ginger and one brunette are odd but I've had friends who were gingers to a brunette and a blonde and my hair is blonde while both my parents are both brunettes so it's not That unlikely.

I dunno, I actually like it because it makes Batman into Big Boss and Terry into Solid Snake.