Spider-Man: No Way Home vs. One More Day aka Why I Like the Shitty Ending of One Over the Other

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Spider-Man: No Way Home vs. One More Day aka Why I Like the Shitty Ending of One Over the Other

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Was reading CharlesPhipps' post on Captain America: Brave New World and I saw his comment on the ending of Spider-Man: No Way Home and why he doesn't like it. Personally I do like the ending of NWH though I fully get CP's reason for not liking it but I wanted to go over why I enjoyed it and the best way I know how to do that is to quickly go over my feelings on Spider-Man "What Were They Thinking" aka One More Day.

Linkara covered the issues with OMD in greater depth in his review of the comic so if you want more detail go check out his review on it but the long and short of it is this; Peter gives up everything to try and save Aunt May from death for the umpteenth time and sells his... marriage to the Devil to save her. This is a story so bad that we're STILL dealing with the fall out right now as Peter and MJ have still not remarried and every attempt by writers who want to undo this mistake have their hard work undone the moment they turn their back for more then 2 seconds.

Anyways the core problem with OMD is that it wanted to regress Peter's character arc and does what it can and continues to do what it can to keep him from advancing. In this case OMD eased or altered everyone's memories of Peter and MJ ever being married and in 15 years it has still not been undone.

Just for comparison when the New 52 was launched DC basically divorced every major married couple and most of the minor ones too. About 5 years after the New 52 DC started to undo this and characters were remarried. DC has a little more guts then Marvel as one of their flagship characters got remarried after half a decade where as Marvel refuses to let their flagship character get remarried after a decade and a half.

And again the problem here is Marvel did everything it can to make undoing the deal with Mephisto near to impossible to undo without a LOT of baggage.

What makes me like the ending of NWH is that it gives us hope that Peter will find his way back to those he loves. While everyone's memories of Peter and Spider-Man being one and the same is hard to undo they left hope that it can be done. MJ still has the bracelet that Peter gave her and she and Ned are still out there and all Peter has to do is talk to them. And at this point it makes sense that he doesn't want to do that because in the span of a few days he's lost his aunt, his girlfriend and best friend was almost killed and he nearly murdered someone in revenge and it nearly cost the life of another version of himself and nearly destroyed the multiverse.

After that it makes sense that he would think that his loved ones would be better off without him in their lives.

Again, this isn't the end, there is still hope for Peter to get back with MJ, to regain his friendship with Ned and balance his life between Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

One thing I've enjoyed with Spider-Man in the mainstream series (those being the MCU, the Insomniac Marvel Universe and the Spider-Verse) is that there has been an active effort to let Peter grow up. May has died in 2 of this series and moved on with her life in another. Peter is either in a stable relationship with MJ or married to her and has a kid in one continuity and there's a good chance he and MJ will be tying the knot and likely will have a kid in the PlayStation Games.

Even the MCU took the conscience effort to not repeat the mistakes of the comics and has at least setup for this Peter to move on with his life and allow him to grow up.

And that's why I honestly kinda like the shitty ending of Spider-Man: No Way Home. :D
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I liked Spider-Man No Way Home. Specifically him living alone in an apartment ending.

The simple reason is that this MCU version of Spider-Man differs alot from previous versions of Spider-Man both movies and comic books.

It takes Tony Stark to give him his suit or specifically his look. It has technology in it where most of Peter's suits are just fabric with the exception of the webber. He goes through the arc that it's not the suit that makes him but himself.

Then he was given a ton of technology after Tony died. By this point his friends know who he is. Then everyone does.

Aunt May is dead. He messed around and found out when he tampered like a child with Strange's spell.

Oh and his MJ isn't Mary Jane. She is Michelle Jones.

So we can accept either this is just a much different version of Spider-Man than that we know. Or this was a stumbling block for him to become the Spider-Man we know. I choose the later. Is it perfect? No. Of course not.
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No Way Home basically says that MCU is creatively bankrupt and would rather destroy Peter's life, friends, and support structure to chase the nonexistent nostalgia for a Peter that is a loner loser with no real people who care for him than give him any taste of success.

I actually hate it more than One More Day.

Yes, Peter will eventually break the Deal with the Devil but at least it doesn't have Peter brain rape his friends for their own good.

Fuck Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the end.
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Or this is a reset for him. He has to create a new support structure for himself. New friends. He now has to do it on his own like he usually does for the most part.

Where this reset for him puts him now as an seasoned Spider-Man but still alot to learn. Puts him more in line for traditional Spider-Man adventures. No Stark tech suits, no wizards.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:07 pm No Way Home basically says that MCU is creatively bankrupt and would rather destroy Peter's life, friends, and support structure to chase the nonexistent nostalgia for a Peter that is a loner loser with no real people who care for him than give him any taste of success.

I actually hate it more than One More Day.

Yes, Peter will eventually break the Deal with the Devil but at least it doesn't have Peter brain rape his friends for their own good.

Fuck Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the end.
This wasn't Marvel Studios. It was Sony wanting to claw back Spider-Man as he was too entangled with the characters completely controlled by Marvel and Disney. They have this idea of creating their own cinematic universe, which is why they're making all these movies focused on minor characters with even a tangential relationship with him. By separating him from everyone else, they can make movies that involve no other Marvel characters thus under their complete creative control.
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Al-1701 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:36 pm
CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:07 pm No Way Home basically says that MCU is creatively bankrupt and would rather destroy Peter's life, friends, and support structure to chase the nonexistent nostalgia for a Peter that is a loner loser with no real people who care for him than give him any taste of success.

I actually hate it more than One More Day.

Yes, Peter will eventually break the Deal with the Devil but at least it doesn't have Peter brain rape his friends for their own good.

Fuck Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the end.
This wasn't Marvel Studios. It was Sony wanting to claw back Spider-Man as he was too entangled with the characters completely controlled by Marvel and Disney. They have this idea of creating their own cinematic universe, which is why they're making all these movies focused on minor characters with even a tangential relationship with him. By separating him from everyone else, they can make movies that involve no other Marvel characters thus under their complete creative control.
From what I can tell, they were trying to create their own cinematic universe through Spider-Man allies and villains plus lore but without Spider-Man himself. I might be wrong but I think MCU still has some sort of say using Tom Holland Spider-Man plus Sony cannot just create their own. But the again I have heard rumors of yet a fourth reboot of Spider-Man.

I know Sony for a long time now has been struggling to find a franchise they can build on and make money with. Ghostbusters 2016 was supposed to be that. Didn't work out.
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McAvoy wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:40 am
Al-1701 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:36 pm
CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:07 pm No Way Home basically says that MCU is creatively bankrupt and would rather destroy Peter's life, friends, and support structure to chase the nonexistent nostalgia for a Peter that is a loner loser with no real people who care for him than give him any taste of success.

I actually hate it more than One More Day.

Yes, Peter will eventually break the Deal with the Devil but at least it doesn't have Peter brain rape his friends for their own good.

Fuck Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the end.
This wasn't Marvel Studios. It was Sony wanting to claw back Spider-Man as he was too entangled with the characters completely controlled by Marvel and Disney. They have this idea of creating their own cinematic universe, which is why they're making all these movies focused on minor characters with even a tangential relationship with him. By separating him from everyone else, they can make movies that involve no other Marvel characters thus under their complete creative control.
From what I can tell, they were trying to create their own cinematic universe through Spider-Man allies and villains plus lore but without Spider-Man himself. I might be wrong but I think MCU still has some sort of say using Tom Holland Spider-Man plus Sony cannot just create their own. But the again I have heard rumors of yet a fourth reboot of Spider-Man.

I know Sony for a long time now has been struggling to find a franchise they can build on and make money with. Ghostbusters 2016 was supposed to be that. Didn't work out.
It's times like this that Sony really needs to realize that their best chance at creating their own shared universe and major franchise to rival the MCU lies in their games and the Spider-Verse. I know that several studios see animations as a lesser media but you'd think that with Executive Producers so obsessed with using as much CGI in live-action and the fact that animation is the most lucrative media out there and the recurring joke by fans, creators and studios themselves are only interested in making money that they would put 2 and 2 together and make $.

Hell Video games are currently the Number 1 Media out performing movies and music that more companions would start putting more money and time into games to make a bigger profit.

I've joked about this before but with all the CGI and Animatronics being used films and shows lean more into animations then live-action so there really is no difference anymore.
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Winter wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:48 am
McAvoy wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:40 am
Al-1701 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:36 pm
CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:07 pm No Way Home basically says that MCU is creatively bankrupt and would rather destroy Peter's life, friends, and support structure to chase the nonexistent nostalgia for a Peter that is a loner loser with no real people who care for him than give him any taste of success.

I actually hate it more than One More Day.

Yes, Peter will eventually break the Deal with the Devil but at least it doesn't have Peter brain rape his friends for their own good.

Fuck Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the end.
This wasn't Marvel Studios. It was Sony wanting to claw back Spider-Man as he was too entangled with the characters completely controlled by Marvel and Disney. They have this idea of creating their own cinematic universe, which is why they're making all these movies focused on minor characters with even a tangential relationship with him. By separating him from everyone else, they can make movies that involve no other Marvel characters thus under their complete creative control.
From what I can tell, they were trying to create their own cinematic universe through Spider-Man allies and villains plus lore but without Spider-Man himself. I might be wrong but I think MCU still has some sort of say using Tom Holland Spider-Man plus Sony cannot just create their own. But the again I have heard rumors of yet a fourth reboot of Spider-Man.

I know Sony for a long time now has been struggling to find a franchise they can build on and make money with. Ghostbusters 2016 was supposed to be that. Didn't work out.
It's times like this that Sony really needs to realize that their best chance at creating their own shared universe and major franchise to rival the MCU lies in their games and the Spider-Verse. I know that several studios see animations as a lesser media but you'd think that with Executive Producers so obsessed with using as much CGI in live-action and the fact that animation is the most lucrative media out there and the recurring joke by fans, creators and studios themselves are only interested in making money that they would put 2 and 2 together and make $.

Hell Video games are currently the Number 1 Media out performing movies and music that more companions would start putting more money and time into games to make a bigger profit.

I've joked about this before but with all the CGI and Animatronics being used films and shows lean more into animations then live-action so there really is no difference anymore.
From what I have seen Sony suffers alot from the dreaded 'studio interference'. I can't recall films where higher ups actively messed with a film and it was actually successful. Not a Sony only thing either as we all know. Latest Captain America movie has this. Star Wars suffered from this like Rogue One and Solo movies.

Come to think about it, Rogue One did come out good. Second half was great.

I think they should leave Spider-Man alone. Find something else. Homegrown. Finance small films and see how they go. I don't know.
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Greed won't allow that to happen.
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Holland is filming Spider-Man 4 in April.

He's signed up for 5 and 6 too.
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