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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:...really? You sure? Cuz the only non-fanfiction context I've heard those in is Reddit MRAs talking about Beta males.
Are there playoff teams and lottery teams in the NBA? Are they hard workers and dead weights in every government bureucracy?
I am not able to connect your response to the question I asked.
This is not a rhetorical device. This is not me straw-manning or accusing.
I legitimately and truly do not understand what the frelling gremplork anything you said has to do with the question I asked, and if it is at all relevant, I will require elaboration and clarification.
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Reading your posts feels a lot like watching some sort of avant guard performance-art piece.
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J!! wrote:Reading your posts feels a lot like watching some sort of avant guard performance-art piece.
Okay. Noted.
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I think he's arguing that schools should forbid female-dominant sexual relationships because this will undermine the development of healthy sexuality in males.

If I'm right, Vinod, do you agree that male-dominant relationships should also be forbidden since they could undermine the development of healthy sexuality in females?
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Steve wrote:I think he's arguing that schools should forbid female-dominant sexual relationships because this will undermine the development of healthy sexuality in males.

If I'm right, Vinod, do you agree that male-dominant relationships should also be forbidden since they could undermine the development of healthy sexuality in females?
You mean Maledom, with whips or the male deciding which movie they watch?
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Agent Vinod wrote: You mean Maledom, with whips or the male deciding which movie they watch?
Well, you were the one alluding to "femdom" where boys accept being repeatedly slapped to get a chance to "kiss a pussy once". That doesn't seem anywhere close to which partner deciding what movies the couple watches. But to prevent us spending several rounds of hammering out common ground for what defines being a dominant one, let me repeat my question. You state you are worried that femdom relationships between teens are a risk to the development of healthy sexuality in men, and you are proposing schools ban them. Do you also propose a ban on equivalent maledom relationships between teens as being a risk to the development of healthy sexuality in women? Equivalent as in a maledom relationship where the teen girl is treated the same as the teen boy is in the femdom relationships you are concerned with.
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Agent Vinod wrote:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:...really? You sure? Cuz the only non-fanfiction context I've heard those in is Reddit MRAs talking about Beta males.
Are there playoff teams and lottery teams in the NBA? Are they hard workers and dead weights in every government bureucracy?
I am not able to connect your response to the question I asked.
This is not a rhetorical device. This is not me straw-manning or accusing.
I legitimately and truly do not understand what the frelling gremplork anything you said has to do with the question I asked, and if it is at all relevant, I will require elaboration and clarification.
You wanna attack something.

Charge!!!!!!!

Don't dance around it.
Mate, if I wanted to charge/attack, I wouldn't know where to aim. I'm not dancing around it. I'm examining what you said from all angles trying to figure out what you are saying and where to even start. Right now it seems that Steve has come the closest to understanding what the frell you are trying to say and thus engaging with it in any meaningful way.
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....no seriously, this isn't dancing around it! How can I engage with you in good faith if I can't even figure out how you're defining your terms? Saying that there are people with varying skill level or quality in different fields does not adequately define the terms "alpha, beta, and omega" as they refer to young men and women in high school! The context with which I have the MOST familiarity with these terms is a poorly-done study on wolves in captivity which isn't applicable to their behavior in the wild, and the briefest of second-hand quotes from MRA types on reddit. I don't understand how you are using these terms.

But you demand that I try anyway? Okay. Before I can even agree or disagree with what you said, there's a bunch of assumptions to unpack that I find bizzare at best.

1. WHY do you even think that the domination kink is becoming more prevalent now than it once was?
2. How is any of this the responsibility of high schools, and even if it were how would such a ban be enforced?
3. Is there something you see inherently damaging about femdom relationships?
4. Supposing this sudden raise in domination kinks, particularly femdom, why wouldn't femdom women just seek out subs? I can at the least say that my casual experience on fetlife and dating sites suggests their is no shortage of subs available.
5. How is the willingness of teenage boys to do unwise things in a misguided hope of getting laid in any way a novel problem or one requiring concerted action by authority figures to address?
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Dude, that's not gonna work. This guy argues entirely in beat-poetry non-sequiturs. If you really want to match wits with him, you gotta loosen up and do it on that level.

Like I said before: avant guarde performance art.
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Now that Steve has deciphered the cryptic question of the original poster (I think? I don't know if it's been confirmed that the OP was trying to ask the question Steve clarified) and Fuzzy Necromancer has iterated the fundamental questions that would need to be answered first before any actual discussion can properly begin, the two questions of his which I find the most pertinent are:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: 2. How is any of this the responsibility of high schools, and even if it were how would such a ban be enforced?
Yes, absolutely. It is never a good idea for the government to try and legislate sex like this. At best it'll be completely ineffectual and it will become one of those Blue Laws, at worst it would lead to Orwellian measures being employed to try and root out "those damn perverts." The government should not be the kink police,

The only exception is when some sort of sexual fetish is actively harmful, like cannibalism or paedophilia, and only then when someone actively participates in the act, directly or indirectly. Someone just getting off on vore or loli comics on the internet is is not licence for the black party vans to come visit. Someone getting video or pics of actual victims does.

Which leads us to:
3. Is there something you see inherently damaging about femdom relationships?
In order to ban femdom relationships, you would have to show that they are inherently damaging, or at least in violation of some other formal legality. Paedophilia, for instance, is both; there is a lot of evidence from the battery of former victims that it really messes them up and from a formal legal standpoint, a child cannot by definition give informed consent.

Do you have any evidence that engaging in femdom relationships as a teenager somehow leads to psychological harm? Informed consent would not apply here since you seem to be referring explicitly to relationships that form between teens. If it was an adult in a relationship with a teenager, then the legality of that would depend on the local State law regarding age of consent; the actual form of the relationship itself would be irrelevant.

All the other questions Fuzzy Necromancer asked are important, too, but those two strike me as the critical ones that need to be answered if there is to be any discussion beyond "no, and it's foolish to try and legislate sexual conduct."

It wasn't too long ago that homosexual relationships of any stripe were outright banned, after all, on much the same grounds as what OP is presenting.
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