On religion (in particular Christianity), rationality, and this forum - are we allowed to discuss it?

[McAvoy]

Really? What's your source, because I was never under the impression that he was an official prophet according to Judaism.

I will be honest this is something I was told by a few Jewish Rabbis over the years. I do live in a heavy Jewish area here in New Jersey.

But I did look it up after I posted, and it is alot of religious discussion on the Jewish sites. There isnt a clear cut yes or no in that regard.

Best I got was from Wikipedia which in their secobd paragraph says he is a false prophet but by some scholars.

I probably made that that statement off the cuff without truly looking into it.

[Madner Kami]

None of the major jewish main streams accept Jesus as a prophet, much less even the Messiah. There are some sects that accept Jesus as a sort of teacher, like the Nazarenes and a few major streams that consider Jesus being a sort of forerunner to the peace of the messianic age, but Jesus being in any way related directly to God is antithetical to jewish believes and scripture.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

None of the major jewish main streams accept Jesus as a prophet, much less even the Messiah. There are some sects that accept Jesus as a sort of teacher, like the Nazarenes and a few major streams that consider Jesus being a sort of forerunner to the peace of the messianic age, but Jesus being in any way related directly to God is antithetical to jewish believes and scripture.

He's considered a prophet in Judaism but not a messiah.

A prophet is just someone that speaks to God. The messiah is the embodiment of God in human form.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

But I did look it up after I posted, and it is alot of religious discussion on the Jewish sites. There isnt a clear cut yes or no in that regard.

Yeah, you get a lot of that in Judaism.

[Madner Kami]

None of the major jewish main streams accept Jesus as a prophet, much less even the Messiah. There are some sects that accept Jesus as a sort of teacher, like the Nazarenes and a few major streams that consider Jesus being a sort of forerunner to the peace of the messianic age, but Jesus being in any way related directly to God is antithetical to jewish believes and scripture.

He's considered a prophet in Judaism but not a messiah.

A prophet is just someone that speaks to God. The messiah is the embodiment of God in human form.

A prophet is someone who speaks with God, not to God. Small, but important distinction.

Either way, Jesus is not a prophet in Judaism, precisely because he advocates for rules of religion which stand in opposition to what God dictated before. Just as with Islam, and that's probably one of the more obvious clues for why Islam is a judean off-shot, God is unfailing and as such, so is his original contract with humanity and his commandements. If he had wanted different rules, he would have made them so in the first place. God can, but does not come around and change the covenant with his people and unfortunately, that is exactly what Jesus was advocating, according to the testaments of his followers. Jesus is considered a false prophet according to judean scripture, despite and because of his miracle-works and, in fact, his miracle-works make him an Evil that needs to be rejected by the Jews.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You sure about that?

The whole "God is ABSOLUTE and INFALLABLE" seems to be more of a Christianity and Islam thing than a Jewish thing. The whole Covenant in Judaism is about how you are literally allowed to argue with God and he has to obey his own rules. "Sit down, shut up, and do what you're told, don't try to wriggle out of it or set boundaries" is more a focus of White Evangelical Christianity than any other Abrahamic sect, as far as I know.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Dat apple tho

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

For all we know it was a cherry

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You dog.

[Riedquat]

You sure about that?

The whole "God is ABSOLUTE and INFALLABLE" seems to be more of a Christianity and Islam thing than a Jewish thing. The whole Covenant in Judaism is about how you are literally allowed to argue with God and he has to obey his own rules. "Sit down, shut up, and do what you're told, don't try to wriggle out of it or set boundaries" is more a focus of White Evangelical Christianity than any other Abrahamic sect, as far as I know.

I don't see what the issue is with god setting one set of rules for the situation as is now, then changing them when the situation changes. That doesn't say god is falliable, he could be fully aware that's how things will play out, having created a non-static universe. But I'm not a Jewish scholar.