Fascism is Heroarchy

[MithrandirOlorin]

Because someone uninformed by assumed that's still where to look for it.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Because someone uninformed by assumed that's still where to look for it.

It’s a show made by marvel and there’s no ulterior canon for this type of stuff now in days.

Aside from distinguishing which medium, which I did, especially for a one-dimensional character, I’m not sure how one loses track.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Frank is a bit like that witch hunter from Good Omens.

His politics begin and end at "someone should murder the world's criminals."

He's not really interested in anything else.

Maybe in the comics. In the Netflix shows though he's rich in character development and political nuance.

Kinda Confusing to keep calling it the Netflix show when it's not on Netflix anymore.

I see what you mean now. It's true they're not on Netflix but they were produced and released on it, and it's still a distinguishing marker on the internet I'm pretty sure.

And at the very least, for the MCU, Punisher was very grounded and thematic. Marvel tells stories of humanity and the Netflix story effectively makes him Jobe.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Maybe in the comics. In the Netflix shows though he's rich in character development and political nuance.

The Netflix version is, "I hate the Military Industrial Complex."

I'll concede that there is much more politically nuanced works, at least for my tastes in political dramas, but I do think the theme of Military Industrial Complex is somewhat more discrete across Daredevil season 2 and Punisher seasons 1 and 2.

I was thinking about it, and the plot with Billy Russo running the mercenary core is pretty pertinent, but there's lots going on in the show aside from that.

[MithrandirOlorin]

I consider Nazims specifically a uniquely evil and dangerous ideology, but Mussolini and Mosley style Fascism dislike about the same as I do Leninism or the weird Socialism of H.G. Wells.

My own ideology is currently somewhere between a Luxemburgist and an Anarchist.

One of these is not the same and I'm an anarchist.

Wells even beleived in Eugenics, and also talked in The New World Order about how some will die opposing it. Your faith that his Ideology wouldn't result in comparable atrocities if implemented is misguided.

[clearspira]

I consider Nazims specifically a uniquely evil and dangerous ideology, but Mussolini and Mosley style Fascism dislike about the same as I do Leninism or the weird Socialism of H.G. Wells.

My own ideology is currently somewhere between a Luxemburgist and an Anarchist.

One of these is not the same and I'm an anarchist.

Wells even beleived in Eugenics, and also talked in The New World Order about how some will die opposing it. Your faith that his Ideology wouldn't result in comparable atrocities if implemented is misguided.

In fairness, eugenics was VERY popular before WW2 and dates back as far as Ancient Greece. You cannot criticise Wells in particular for it.

And as for ''The New World Order'' that phrase means something completely different today than it did then. He was referring to the coming of socialism at a time in Britain when there were workhouses, sufferegettes and children were going up chimneys. And he wasn't wrong was he? Many members of the ''old'' establishment did try and oppose it at the barrel of a gun.

[MithrandirOlorin]

I consider Nazims specifically a uniquely evil and dangerous ideology, but Mussolini and Mosley style Fascism dislike about the same as I do Leninism or the weird Socialism of H.G. Wells.

My own ideology is currently somewhere between a Luxemburgist and an Anarchist.

One of these is not the same and I'm an anarchist.

Wells even beleived in Eugenics, and also talked in The New World Order about how some will die opposing it. Your faith that his Ideology wouldn't result in comparable atrocities if implemented is misguided.

In fairness, eugenics was VERY popular before WW2 and dates back as far as Ancient Greece. You cannot criticise Wells in particular for it.

And as for ''The New World Order'' that phrase means something completely different today than it did then. He was referring to the coming of socialism at a time in Britain when there were workhouses, sufferegettes and children were going up chimneys. And he wasn't wrong was he? Many members of the ''old'' establishment did try and oppose it at the barrel of a gun.

He was specifically into Forced Sterilization in ways not every Eugenicist was.

And his Socialism was Class Collaborationist.

[CharlesPhipps]

Actually, HG Welles backed away from eugenics because he realized that (correctly) that science was just reinforcing taboos.

I.e. racism.

He embraced Darwin but came out against Social Darwinism.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Actually, HG Welles backed away from eugenics because he realized that (correctly) that science was just reinforcing taboos.

I.e. racism.

He embraced Darwin but came out against Social Darwinism.

He was still a Class Collaborationist.

[TGLS]

Actually, HG Welles backed away from eugenics because he realized that (correctly) that science was just reinforcing taboos.

I.e. racism.

He embraced Darwin but came out against Social Darwinism.

He was still a Class Collaborationist.

And that's bad why exactly?