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Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:24 am
by hammerofglass
Haven't seen SU, but actually did see the first few seasons of FiM so that I can comment on
Gilda didn't seriously hurt anyone, she was just kind of an asshole. She grew as a person, stopped acting that way, and they became friends again. That doesn't invalidate anything, cutting her off when she was acting the way she had been was still the right decision. Hell I have good friends IRL where that's happened, I think most people do.
What would you rather Dash do, hold a petty childhood grudge against someone who was now a perfectly decent person for the rest of their lives?
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:35 pm
by Dragon Ball Fan
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:24 am
Haven't seen SU, but actually did see the first few seasons of FiM so that I can comment on
Gilda didn't seriously hurt anyone, she was just kind of an asshole. She grew as a person, stopped acting that way, and they became friends again. That doesn't invalidate anything, cutting her off when she was acting the way she had been was still the right decision. Hell I have good friends IRL where that's happened, I think most people do.
What would you rather Dash do, hold a petty childhood grudge against someone who was now a perfectly decent person for the rest of their lives?
Or, have Gilda never change. Because the lesson wasn't to cut off toxic people till they change, just cut them off, period because they won't change. Lauren Faust explicitly compared Gilda to an abusive spouse.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:26 pm
by Thebestoftherest
She could have change their mind, not all of us have rigid unflappable dogmatic view of the world like you or Rorchach.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:48 pm
by Dragon Ball Fan
Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:26 pm
She could have change their mind, not all of us have rigid unflappable dogmatic view of the world like you or Rorchach.
Just worried kids won't get the nuance that we, as adults can get.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:22 pm
by Thebestoftherest
No me and Hammerofglass are adults, you never mature past twelve.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:05 am
by Dragon Ball Fan
And another thing is that they try to have their cake and eat it too. They show both a redeemed villain and one who is just defeated but they focus on the redeemed villain, the unredeemed villain is an afterthought.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:45 am
by hammerofglass
"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?" - Author unknown, often attributed to Lincoln.
The program is titled Friendship is Magic. It does what it says on the tin.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:44 pm
by Dragon Ball Fan
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:45 am
"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?" - Author unknown, often attributed to Lincoln.
The program is titled Friendship is Magic. It does what it says on the tin.
Well, Sombra was the only villain in an episode and he was outright killed. But even that gets ignored by adult fans, so, it probably won't stick with kids, either.
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:39 am
by Dragon Ball Fan
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 7:27 pm
I mean, The Bad Guys is made for teenagers and adults who already understand moral complexity and the storytelling tropes it's playing with. MLP is presenting Entry Level Conflict Resolution to actual kindergartners. Walk before you run and all that.
Also, The Bad Guys is PG, which nowadays, is functionally indistinguishable to a G rated movie, which is what MLP is the TV equivalent to.
I just don't get why shows that I grew up with, both being made in my life time and stuff made long before but was still airing in syndication, had actual consequences for wrong doing, even when the protagonist does it but literally no tv series today does it. Are cartoon writers all soccer moms/dads, now?
Re: Problem with Kids Media
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am
by sayla0079
Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.