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You don't even know who the Ellimist is, and you think Goku can beat him? That just proves you're trolling and desperate for attention.

Let's run down the list. The Ellimist's physical body, such as it is, was destroyed. He's a non-corporeal higher-dimensional being, and don't you DARE claim higher-dimensional tiering is false, it's stated so within the verse itself.
"So," she said after a while. "Why don't you want to use this Time Matrix thing?"
I waved my stalks forward and back in a gesture of uncertainty. <You can't just go messing around with time. They say it's insanely complicated. Sure, maybe I could go back, like Chapman said, and stomp out the first Yeerks who evolved. But who knows how many other things that might affect? Besides, to be honest, I guess I'm scared of the Ellimists.>
"The what?"
<Supposedly they're the race that built the Time Matrix. Thousands and thousands of years ago. They built it, and then, suddenly, as far as anyone can tell, they vanished. The entire species of Ellimists just vanished.>
"You think it was because they used the Time Matrix?"
<No one knows. Some people say the Ellimists still exist, but they've moved beyond the normal space-time dimensions we know. There are some who say the Ellimists are almost all-powerful.> I shrugged. <Of course, there are others who say they're gone forever. Or even that they never did exist. Now Andalite parents tell their children stories about the Ellimists.>
"Fairy tales."
<Are fairies magical beings in human mythology?>
"Not just fairies. We have elves and leprechauns and Santa Claus and hobbits and werewolves and vampires. . . . We even have aliens from outer space."
Despite myself, I laughed. <Yes, those outer space aliens are quite troublesome.>
"Doesn't the Time Matrix prove that these Ellimists are real?"
<Well . . . I don't know. But if Ellimists are real, if they really do live in dimensions beyond our own, then they have powers we could not imagine. Pretend . . . never mind.>
"No, tell me," Loren urged. "Unless you have something else to do."
<Okay, well, you know that space-time has ten dimensions. There are the normal dimensions of up/down, left/right, and forward/back. Then there is the fourth dimension, which is time. Then, there are six other dimensions, but they are curled up into themselves, so we don't see or feel them. All we feel are three space dimensions, plus time.>
Loren nodded her head. I wondered what this meant. But she didn't ask me to stop, so I went on.
<Imagine if, instead of three normal space dimensions, we only had two. Imagine we were flat, and we couldn't go up or down, just in the other two directions. Call us the Flatties. See?>
"Like if we lived on a piece of paper," Loren said.
<Exactly. It would be like we were drawings on a piece of paper. And if someone came along and drew a box around us, we could never get out. Because the lines of the box would be walls. But what if a three-dimensional person came along? A three-dimensional person could lift that Flattie right up out of that box. The Flattie wouldn't even know what was happening, because he's never gone up or down before. He doesn't even know up and down exist.>
"You're saying we're like the Flatties. Except we're in three dimensions, not just two. So we're like Cubies or something."
<Yes. So if some creature came along who existed in more dimensions than us, he'd be able to do things that would be impossible for us.>
"Ellimists. That's what they are?"
<Maybe. Like I say, no one knows. But someone built the Time Matrix. Someone real. Someone who isn't around anymore.>
"Whew."
<So maybe we could use the Time Matrix and pop in and out of time. Or maybe we'd disappear, like the Ellimists may have.>
"Or maybe we'd just make these Ellimists mad," Loren said.
<Exactly.>
He is capable of body manipulation, forcing the Animorphs out of roach morph against their will, dream manipulation, reality warping and space-time manipulation across a universal scale, intangibility for his physical avatars, he can erase people from existence like with the Hakai not just so their motion through time ceases at that precise moment, but that their whole generation of ancestors going back through history is wiped out, he can teleport people through space and time millions of light-years and back again in an instant, he can freeze time, he can rewind time, he can form pocket dimensions, he can read people's minds, he is a master of illusions and altering your perceptions, he can change your emotional state, he is capable of manipulating technology too, and unlike Zeno-sama, he has complete mastery over entire timelines, shifting and just generally rearranging them at his will. It's like he's become a sentient universe across a tenth-dimensional plane, confirmed by the resident alien science expert. You might be right in saying there is no such thing as an omnipotent being, but characters like the Ellimist are the closest thing you can get in fiction. The Ellimist is so broken he could literally solo anyone within DBS. How are you going to fight all that? You can't. You can't fucking fight that. If you think so, then you're just being a moron.
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Guys I think I got'm beat with Xavier. He wasn't expecting that one.
..What mirror universe?
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Oh trust me. He won't be convinced the Ellimist solos DBS. There's no reasoning with this guy. Did you see what I wrote?
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I mean, give him time and he'll come rushing back as bull-headed as an ox.

Seriously, did you see what he wrote about Apokolips and New Genesis? Claims they're not galaxy-sized even though I've seen the fucking scans where characters say they ARE. It's ironic he calls me a DBZ downplayer. I guess with his logic, anyone who thinks DBZ doesn't solo fiction is a downplayer. I call him a Dragon Ball wanker and comic downplayer, and the worst kind too.
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SSJGodGoku wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:34 am
clearspira wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:25 pmKrillin? Krillin?? You know nothing about Superman if you think that. Have you actually read any comic books or is your only knowledge of Superman limited to the Justice League cartoon? Have you even Googled his top-tier forms and what they are capable of? Krillin is nothing compared to Supes and anyone who has read the comics would know that.
I'm seeing a ton of proof and evidence in your post here.

Oh wait...
I think the time has come to stop playing silly buggers here. I want to know what your comic book experience is. Because unless you are lying, no one who has read a decent amount of Superman or at least researched the subject to a moderate degree can think he would lose to Krillin.
Maybe no one among comic stans and DBZ downplayers. Superman struggled to get to lightspeed in Post-Crisis days but Goku was already faster than that in the 22nd Budokai back in Dragonball when he outran Tien's solar flare. Even during the later Post-Crisis stories when he was at his strongest in that era, Superman got nearly killed by smashing a moon, and Roshi easily busted the moon when he was way weaker than Saiyan Saga Krillin.
Oh, and I will indulge you. Let's list Bulma's inventions and please add to them if I have missed any out: Dragon radar, if Pilaf and the RR Army can also invent one so can Reed.
Prove it then. The Dragonballs are magic and he sucks with magic stuff.
Shrinking bracelet, Reed's knowledge of Pym particles is second only to Dr Pym himself.
So he couldn't invent it by himself and has to steal it from someone else, lol.
Time machine, so has Reed.
Not a time machine that was considered dangerous by the strongest gods in the setting.
Capsules, were not actually her invention. Improved Saiyan armour, which is something that Reed could do.
Prove it. The base armor by itself could tank planetbusters without a scratch. If Reed had armor like that he would use it for his team and they wouldn't get hurt so often.
Saiyaman watch, something that Reed could do.
Prove it. Besides, that was just a trinket for fun.
This is child's stuff to Reed ''I have threatened the multiverse several times from my lab'' Richards. Based on this, I wouldn't put money on her being able to outsmart Tony Stark either. The actual Tony Stark BTW, not film Tony Stark which I have a feeling is all you know.
LOL, you also forgot the universal Dragon Radar (can scan the entire universe for the Super Dragonballs, which not even Shenron could find), a forcefield that can contain SSJ2 Trunks and SSJ3 Goku's power (way beyond any hero in Marvel), the fact that she built a raygun better than Jaco's just from looking at it (and she did this when she was only 3 years old!), the device to induce SSJ4 transformation, reverse engineering the android shutdown controller, etc.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:48 amI'm sure with adamantium he could. But that's not the worst part. Xavier's controlling him.
Adamantium is just a human made material that doesn't compare to even normal Katchin, and everyone in the Tournament of Power easily crushed the much stronger Katchi Katchin material. And it doesn't matter who's controlling him, he can't do shit.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:44 am You don't even know who the Ellimist is, and you think Goku can beat him? That just proves you're trolling and desperate for attention.
I didn't even say anything about whoever that character is, so now you're just putting words in my mouth.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:31 am Guys I think I got'm beat with Xavier. He wasn't expecting that one.
Xavier is controlling Wolverine to try to attack Goku? What the hell is that going to matter?
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:58 am I mean, give him time and he'll come rushing back as bull-headed as an ox.

Seriously, did you see what he wrote about Apokolips and New Genesis? Claims they're not galaxy-sized even though I've seen the fucking scans where characters say they ARE. It's ironic he calls me a DBZ downplayer. I guess with his logic, anyone who thinks DBZ doesn't solo fiction is a downplayer. I call him a Dragon Ball wanker and comic downplayer, and the worst kind too.
You totally misunderstood what I was saying. They're galaxy sized but so is everything in their own dimension. When you travel to it you become bigger yourself. So Superman tanking them isn't a galaxy level feat, because his own body was upscaled.

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Proves you don't know what you're talking about.
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clearspira wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:32 am :lol:
I accept your concession!
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