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Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:05 am
by McAvoy
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:29 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:13 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:43 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:33 am
Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.
That is precisely the outcome I consider preferable.
What a communist Europe under the thumb of Russia?
I have my issues with Soviet Style Communism as a Kautskyist, but it's still better then Capitalism.
That doesn't answer a single thing.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:01 pm
by TGLS
McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:05 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:29 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:13 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:43 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:33 am
Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.
That is precisely the outcome I consider preferable.
What a communist Europe under the thumb of Russia?
I have my issues with Soviet Style Communism as a Kautskyist, but it's still better then Capitalism.
That doesn't answer a single thing.
Well, no it does answer one question, namely:
Q: Which is better: The Polish People's Republic or The French Fourth Republic?
A: The Polish People's Republic.
Nevermind that any success that the communist government of Poland managed was topped by the French, who accomplished it without mass violence and murder.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pm
by KuudereKun
TGLS wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:01 pm
McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:05 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:29 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:13 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:43 am
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:33 am
Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.
That is precisely the outcome I consider preferable.
What a communist Europe under the thumb of Russia?
I have my issues with Soviet Style Communism as a Kautskyist, but it's still better then Capitalism.
That doesn't answer a single thing.
Well, no it does answer one question, namely:
Q: Which is better: The Polish People's Republic or The French Fourth Republic?
A: The Polish People's Republic.
Nevermind that any success that the communist government of Poland managed was topped by the French, who accomplished it without mass violence and murder.
The Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm
by Madner Kami
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pmThe Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
What the flying fuck...
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm
by McAvoy
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pmThe Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
What the flying fuck...
Yeah. This is starting to amaze me.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:26 pm
by KuudereKun
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pmThe Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
What the flying fuck...
Yeah. This is starting to amaze me.
Okay I was expecting some resistance to labeling De Gaulle Fascist but you guys are reacting like you don't know how short lived the Fourth Republic is. You don't know current France is not by anyone still the Fourth Republic right?
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:40 pm
by hammerofglass
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:26 pm
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pmThe Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
What the flying fuck...
Yeah. This is starting to amaze me.
Okay I was expecting some resistance to labeling De Gaulle Fascist but you guys are reacting like you don't know how short lived the Fourth Republic is. You don't know current France is not by anyone still the Fourth Republic right?
Fascists aren't really known for making the system they run more democratic and then stepping down after two terms.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:48 pm
by TGLS
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:40 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:26 pm
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pmThe Fourth French Republic accomplished nothing but being toppled in a Fascist Coup.
What the flying fuck...
Yeah. This is starting to amaze me.
Okay I was expecting some resistance to labeling De Gaulle Fascist but you guys are reacting like you don't know how short lived the Fourth Republic is. You don't know current France is not by anyone still the Fourth Republic right?
Fascists aren't really known for making the system they run more democratic and then stepping down after two terms.
Or for that matter throwing in the towel when a war is unwinnable and seeking a peaceful compromise.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:48 am
by BridgeConsoleMasher
Or starting the European Union.
Re: The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)
Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:35 am
by KuudereKun
Actually the EU's origins is heavily tied to The Nazis. Walther Funk, Hans Globke, Alfred Toepfer, and Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands were all key players.