Holier-than-thou virtue-signaling on the left?

[Yukaphile]

It was the way some leftists are hypocrites, engaging in their own behavior they dislike in the right, just in their own way. Like shaming assault victims. Because they happen to be with the wrong political party, the wrong religious group, or the wrong side of history.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It was the way some leftists are hypocrites, engaging in their own behavior they dislike in the right, just in their own way. Like shaming assault victims. Because they happen to be with the wrong political party, the wrong religious group, or the wrong side of history.

Leftists typically have the moral high ground.

[Yukaphile]

Okay, let's say it's like this. For a right-winger, an undocumented worker getting violently mugged to them is proof that it's karma, or they won't feel sorry for the victim, that they should not have "crossed the border" even though they could have overstayed their visa, and might be legitimately fleeing the hell back home. That maybe it'll convince them to "go home." The victim is not a monster. He or she is just a hard-working person who didn't get a fair break. The right-winger comes off as cold and uncaring. Whether you think an undocumented immigrant should stay or not, surely we must agree they do not deserve to get mugged that way? And for a left-winger, let's say there's a Trump voter, a woman, not a hard-liner, who ends up assaulted, even gets pregnant from it and is forced into abortion. The left-winger will hardly feel sorry for the victim. Might even sneer, "But I thought the right was pro-life?" And hey, if it's an ethnic minority doing it, who comes from a ghetto or something, then they may even be so inclined as to blame their environment and not hold the person totally accountable, since we all operate on our own biases, and want to be proven right. If she even begins blaming herself, then the left-winger might insist that that's exactly how it should be, blaming her support of Trump and conflating that into the unjust crime against her, which was likely due to her not paying attention to his various scandals and wanting to trust authority, instead of being a bible-touting minority-hating ultra white nationalist. And likewise here, surely we must agree even the most vile woman alive is innocent before that kind of crime, and that even the most seemingly well-respected member of the community guilty of this is a monster? And hey, I thought the left was Feminist and against "rape culture?" In these scenarios, do you see the commonality? They both have strawmans of the other side in their heads. Darth Wedgius has gone on this over and over. Hell, as much as I disagreed with the collectivist way of talking in his review for "Superman VS The Elite," I also absolutely agreed with Chuck it is NOT about defending people you like from immoral and unjust crimes, it is those you dislike, even can't stand or tolerate. It perpetuates the false idea of a just world based on tribalism, us vs. them. I don't subscribe to that. At all. Now granted, I think slowly building towards a leftist direction will lead to a better future. But extremism on either end and hypocrisy masquerading as purity politics does not impress me.

[TGLS]

Sorry Yuka, your post had so much straw I need to take it to the emerald city for neurosurgery

[Yukaphile]

That is admittedly only applicable to the most extreme ends of the spectrum.

[Admiral X]

Leftists typically have the moral high ground.

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[Yukaphile]

I could sorta see what he'd meant. I think the future does progress in a leftist direction, while cherishing ideals of the past falls into a right-leaning direction. Neither are entirely bad, just different. Right is about "those values we miss most" myth we lie to ourselves about. The left is all about pushing a future they see in a distant era to this time.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I could sorta see what he'd meant. I think the future does progress in a leftist direction, while cherishing ideals of the past falls into a right-leaning direction. Neither are entirely bad, just different. Right is about "those values we miss most" myth we lie to ourselves about. The left is all about pushing a future they see in a distant era to this time.

While on Twitter and Facebook the bickering is just a thing of its own the left will get over stingent on progressive standards for situations while the right is typically apathetic to a lot of social issue concerns.

Right wing isn't about looking into the past, it's about promoting individualistic autonomy from the public and that factors into a lot of things differently than people that take political action for progressive measures. The right-wing tends to ignore the left as the Borg does Starfleet until they start messing with stuff and you get reactionaries in a range of classifications.

[Yukaphile]

How is the left any better when it shames some people over flaws when they are the victims of an unjust crime simply over political views, conflating the crime into the victim being guilty over their dislike over the person's views? Don't act as if they don't do this sometimes! The hard-liners do.

I speak purely from a ground level. I don't mean our power structures are that way. They're both quite rotten.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

How is the left any better when it shames some people over flaws when they are the victims of an unjust crime simply over political views, conflating the crime into the victim being guilty over their dislike over the person's views? Don't act as if they don't do this sometimes! The hard-liners do.

I speak purely from a ground level. I don't mean our power structures are that way. They're both quite rotten.

I didn't say that that's better lmao I said that that's not typical or distinctive of the left. You'll get tribal people either way who don't really know the broad extent of their progressive or reactionary agenda (and each other's), but that's often not indicative of the more prominent channels of either side.