Has Battlefield V already failed?

[clearspira]

I think its fair to say that this needs no great introduction as most of us must have already seen the controversies surrounding the game plastered all over Youtube and social media, so... yay or nay?

[PerrySimm]

If Call of Honorfield is the game you like to play, then get it and have fun with it. Everything else is cruft.

[Admiral X]

I think it illustrates the concept of not attacking your own customer base as this will tend to result in poor sales quite well.

[Worffan101]

It doesn't really have to do with the alt-right idiots crying "SJWS!!!!". It has to do with horrible decisions of advertising venues, fucking stupid release scheduling, trying to CoDify it when CoD has finally gotten themselves a new lease on life, and just EA in general having no fucking clue what they're doing other than adding lootboxes to anything and everything.

As for the "MUH REALISM" bullshit--dude, the last Battlefield was as realistic and period-accurate as "Eragon". These games are never going to be period-accurate. And "TEH WIMMINZ AND SJWS ARE POISONING OUR GAEM!!!"--dude, the Soviets had women flying planes, fighting Nazis on the ground, running tank crews, sniping...Lyudmila Pavlichenko killed more than 300 Nazis before she was old enough to drink. I mean, jesus, people, just play Post Scriptum if you hate female soldiers THAT much, that game is western front only.

[Antiboyscout]

the Soviets had women flying planes, fighting Nazis on the ground, running tank crews, sniping...Lyudmila Pavlichenko killed more than 300 Nazis before she was old enough to drink.

And that excuses Female Celtic Cyborg Front-line trooper how?

Please note that even those Russian female soldiers were only in support roles. (yes pilots, tank crews and snipers are all support roles)

[Worffan101]

And seriously, if you hate women in uniform so much, go play Post Scriptum. God knows Post Scriptum deserves more players, though they don't really deserve the kind of moron who whines that he doesn't want women in his WW2-skinned action fantasy.

Battlefield and CoD have never, ever been realistic. Even Red Orchastra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad isn't perfectly realistic, and it doesn't even have a HUD! If I play CoD (not that I'll ever play CoD since they're all overpriced crap and most of the playerbase are underaged racists), and I see a black woman running around in a Nazi uniform, I'll roll my eyes and get on with my shooting-Nazis mission. If they make the next CoD or Battlefield focus on the Eastern front--hey, I might actually play! But only if they have teh laydeez options, so I can play a partisan fighting behind Nazi lines FOR MOTHER RUSSIA or a sniper or a machine-gunner or a tank gunner or whatever.

Honestly, it's like all these people whining about their historical accuracy have never played a Battlefield game, watched a WW2 documentary, or read a history book before. Not only is Battlefield as realistic as Bayonetta, but this CoDified money-grubbing hackwork version might be the most historically accurate one yet by advertising "yo we have ladies now"--I mean, come ON, how many women were fighting on the Eastern front, worked as resistance operatives in France (and you bet your ass resistance fighters under Nazi occupation could handle a gun), all that kinda stuff?

[Riedquat]

This is sounding like it's too close to the "some things aren't realistic already so you should accept absolutely anything!" line - that's an excuse that can be used to handwave any old nonsense or laziness. The choice isn't between 100% realism and anything goes. The question is whether it's plausible within the setting, without all sorts of tenuous leaps and twists. It's like those unimaginative, easily pleased, easily fobbed off people who love to say "it's science fiction!" if, say, Riker suddenly starts shooting lasers from his eyes. Willing suspension of disbelief should only go so far.

As for Battlefield V, I've not played any so I don't know the setting and what breaks from reality it's established, if it's not even pretending to be reality so what's fine and what's facepalming for it I've no idea.

[Worffan101]

This is sounding like it's too close to the "some things aren't realistic already so you should accept absolutely anything!" line - that's an excuse that can be used to handwave any old nonsense or laziness. The choice isn't between 100% realism and anything goes. The question is whether it's plausible within the setting, without all sorts of tenuous leaps and twists. It's like those unimaginative, easily pleased, easily fobbed off people who love to say "it's science fiction!" if, say, Riker suddenly starts shooting lasers from his eyes. Willing suspension of disbelief should only go so far.

As for Battlefield V, I've not played any so I don't know the setting and what breaks from reality it's established, if it's not even pretending to be reality so what's fine and what's facepalming for it I've no idea.

Sure, but Battlefield and CoD aren't meant to be super-realistic. They're a power fantasy with a skin of a popular conception of a period of time. Like the Dixon Hill holoprogram that Picard likes. Is that an accurate representation of '30s New York? Nah. It's a broad stereotype based on stuff like Sam Spade.

Or in terms of other modern video games--think Crusader Kings. When you boot it up, you get to choose basically your history-conformity or "realism" level--everything from "are you allowed to, with a lot of time and bribes, give women equal rights?" to "can you join a Satanic magic cult and brainwash people to serve you and have your demon babies?"

Battlefield is like playing CK2 on maximum demonbaby mode.

[Riedquat]

Even not being super-realistic it's still reasonable to expect a least a passing veneer of realism and acknowledging the setting, even if the setting is more based on a popular perception of something than reality. Are all breaks from reality equal and justifiable? Which ones should you reasonably expect to break suspension of disbelief? The Dixon Hill scenario will still break if you include things clearly inappropriate for its setting no matter how based on reality it was to begin with.

[TGLS]

It wasn't always like that. It used to be somewhat realistic. Sure, you always had people jumping out of planes to snipe the other guy. Or catching a lift by getting a buddy to fly into them while they pressed enter. Or bazooka pirates. OK, there was a lot wrong. But the equipment was relatively realistic. Except Secret Weapons, which was brazen fantasy (though I believe the Jets were still somewhat realistic).